Who is prokofy neva?

Dandelion - I had never heard of her so I searched the net.

This was the first thing I found:

Prokofy’s absolute insanity has not endeared her to anyone. Even Linden Labs banned her from their forums for massive drama creation. She can be seen ranting on any of the Second Life related sites about how anyone that disagrees with her is a troll. She displays her overwhelming sense of unwarranted self importance and masterful displays of stroking her E-Peen to anyone who’ll watch. It’s so self righteous it’s almost hypnotic.

Prokofy happens to speak Russian. Why she chose to learn this language is anyone’s guess (Why learn Russian if you hate communists?) but either way, she has worked as a Russian translator for the UN, thus fitting in with the general stereotype that the UN is fucking useless.

This reporter can’t vouch for the accuracy of this information - but it did come from the internet and everything there is factually correct right?

welcome to our world, Benjamin… :-p

nothing new in his post, I think most of us allready came to the same conclusions and profiled PN +/- in a similar way..

but it is a good idea to have everything listed up in a “dry” article, disconected from an emotionally charged post and comments battle.. as a reference for others.

**** zzzzzipppp ; me washing her brain and selectively wiping her memory….. ***

** echoing dandelion : Who is prokofy neva? **

People don’t like Prokofy Neva???
I can’t imagine why… ;-)

I had never really minded PN’s long-winded articles on the SL Herald site, etc., but I recall when suddenly Catherine started focusing her attention on Benjamin - I could not believe how much hatred she showed towards one individual, definitely made me realize she’s mental and from thereon out I just started ignoring her posts anywhere. All credibility was lost by that point, if there was any to begin with.

I’ve seen some of the comments she has left you Vint, and wondered if it was some 12 yr old trying to prove something.. but then most 12 yr olds have better manners.

Glad you posted this, I read Benjamin Duranske’s article …

“”I try my best to follow George Bernard Shaw’s advice, (”I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig, you get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it…,”)”"

VERY well put!!!

Wrath: indeed. This is very vividly seen. That said, insane minds often produce interesting ideas - and she’s no exception. But it’s an infinite pain to fish for gold. On the other hand, twitter is a perfect media for her - google on “twitter prokofy” - twitter makes it much easier to read by limiting the size of the post to two lines :)

Still whining because you weren’t included in the “who’s on top” article and told off in no uncertain terms when you wound up your usual whiney anti-American pitch, Vint? Seems to me you’re the 12-year-old around here.

Someone who wishes to follow George Bernard Shaw’s advice doesn’t post crap like that, or keep eliciting comments.

@ Vint.. I dint want to say that Benjamin is a newbie..I ment.. welcome to a world where you receive truckloads of insults and name calling whenever you have an opinion that differs from the view of “The One and Only Defender of Free Speech and Sound Criticism”

But, why is the comment blanked out? Was it so bad? Did PN do it herhimself, did you want to stress that he is commenting but not saying anything, or.. did you change your principles?

“But, why is the comment blanked out? Was it so bad? Did PN do it herhimself, did you want to stress that he is commenting but not saying anything, or.. did you change your principles?”

Why are you complaining? ;-)

Because Tobie.. one can decide not to answer him/her, or redirect the the author information to the post of Benjamin..
That are good strategies.. they do hurt a egocentric person like PN…

But banning, deleting, or blanking out her/his posts gives him a possibility to point at you, in a twisted way prove his right.. claim a victory..

One can of course say: WFT, fr@ck PN.. But then, I think it is wiser to really remove all traces..
Like this, with the blanked comments, its like leaving fingerprints allover.. Our “friend” can use this as a “proof” of censorship… beyond reasonable doubt.. and I dont think that is what Vint is looking for..

It was more of a rhetorical question/joke.

but it was a serious, strategic answer… :-p

I don’t do “serious.”

October: I don’t know about Veronique, but I was hoping to learn some new obscenities. ;)

Prok’s a strange creature. Smart, willing to work for goals, unpredictably rabid, and no sense of proportion when trading blows. There’s unspoken rules for how aggressive acts, status pushes, and verbal sparring are done. When you step too far from those rules, people don’t want to be near you.

@ Storm.. exactly… sometimes (s)he even has good points.. its only the way (s)he brings it… especially when commenting… then, all the traces of intelligence and clear thinking that sometimes can found on PN’s blogs are lost in this avalanche of insults, name calling, plattitudes, cliches, signs of narrow mindness etc… its a pitty. Without that, PN could be valuable for (the devellopement of the future) SL..

@ Toby : seriously ? I never fool around … :-)

@ Veronique: If you put us together, we could be a sitcom!

The white text is a delightful solution. I may have to borrow that for other parts of my life.

Any happy masochist knows it is how one controls the lash that makes it good, not how hard one swings it. ;)

There’s some people in RL I would love to cover with white text. *sighs*

Just stay away from that sociopathic moron. Any comment on her blog or about her is one too many. I gave up, it’s useless. If comments whither to a treacle of Prok worshippers, she’ll have found her place. Her very own private Internet corner in her very own little private fantasy world. Without other people, cuz you know ‘hell is other people’ as she noted.

Sorry for doubting about your perseverance and keeping to your principles Vint.. I didnt realise what exactly you did with PNs comments..
This indeed is an elegant solution.. worthy of a “fashion” blog…(lol)
In fact the only thing you did was modifying the theme / color template.. nothing wrong with that.. :-)

@ Toby : thanks for the offer, but it wouldnt work out.. as much I like all of you felines, I do have a cat/dog alergy..
And although some story lines or jokes could be developed about this theme, the public would get bored very soon..
Besides.. could you live with the idea me being the star of the show?? :-p

For those who think (as PN does) that Laetizia uses the “sociopath” definition gratuitous here, take a look at next definition of the disorder:

http://www.hss.caltech.edu/~mcafee/Bin/sb.html

just taking a quick objective look at the contents and the style of any (randomly choosen) PN comment; how many “qualities” that define the behaviour can you checkmark?

For the record:

http://www.knowprose.com/node/16993

and

http://www.knowprose.com/prokofyneva

Both posted last year.

A statement of support for Benjamin isn’t necessary. But I will say this - any site that legitimizes Prokofy Neva is suspect; they legitimize the personal attacks on good members of the Second Life community. I will not link a site that attempts to legitimize this vorpal troll.

And that…. is all I have to say about that. ;-)

On Censorship: Guess what? It isn’t censorship. It is the protection of the rights of users of a website to use the website without harassment.

It is strong moderation.

It is legitimate.

‘Censorship’ and ‘Free Speech’ rants are the first things that fall out of a troll’s keyboard. Cry me a river, but cry me that river *elsewhere*. :-)

He/she strikes me as a person with occasionally perceptive points of view which he/she tends to express immoderately, a venial sin as I see it. Personally I always feel a bit cheated when I can’t read abuse directed at me.
Censorship? Hey, it’s your blog Vint. You can run or not run whatever you like on it No obligation, legal or moral on you to provide an open forum. I think I’d do the same thing if someone was pissing me off. Ya gotta love the blog host’s power.
I’m very mystified by Tyffany’s question “Why learn Russian if you hate communists”. Strikes me as an excellent reason

Bhelle, your notion of “immoderate” is completely specious and predicated on some Internet culture that you share with some sect or sector, but which isn’t universal.

Tyffany isn’t very bright. The idea that you would never learn the language of an enemy power is absurd. Of course you would. And there are the basic major UN languages, and there should always be people trying to learn them to appreciate and understand other cultures. That’s just basic to civilization.

Suddenly I see what they all mean. Illucescit! So much spleen, so little time to vent it. You wouldn’t be dead for quids. Hehehe.

I don’t have “spleen”. I’m reporting. People don’t like what they see in the mirror. *Shrugs*. Look what the cat dragged in.

BTW, Bhelle Alacrity, could you and others posting here tell us *your* real-life names, so “Google knows where to point”.

If you don’t find spleen in *that* sort of nasty Google witch-hunting and burning-at-the-stake, well, where are you looking?!

Oh Proffy honey don’t be like that!!. Youe English isn’t bad but perhaps a little tweaking. Context Sweetie, nuance. We’d all be much happier if we understood each other more, wouldn’t we now?
Kissies

When I was much younger and trying to escape the grips of my mother’s strange Creole I found watching the BBC World Service a great help. Try it Sweetie. It really can be a big help.

I can agree with the white text on you comment are annoying, nave but not as annoying as your comments and better than the delete they usually deserve. It’s some kind of strange way. But as most on th internet seams to get irritated at you Neva don’t you think part, bit part of the problem is in your end.

Actually I think we’re being a bit hard on her. All my Russian friends argue like that, very vigorously. The problem is that we have a totally different tradition of debate in the English speaking world….. Fortunately.

I love your notion that you represent “most of the Internet”. Touching and quaint! My, how parochial!

And nice try Bhelle, but I’m not Russian, although I do speak Russian. Debate is in fact a tradition of the English-speaking world your little tiny sect has forgotten ROFL.

Because she served as a translator of the Russian language does not mean she is a native speaker - so any defenses that are based upon that seem as lukewarm as the actual basis of most of Prok’s postings. Truth be told, anyone can write a long diatribe which is hateful and full of scorn. When you strip away the emotion and the obvious intent to build a reputation by trying to destroy the reputations of others, you are left with little of substance.

Further, a good writer in *any* language can condense their thoughts into something readable and comprehensible. In my opinion, Prok writes as clearly as she thinks. Most writers have this problem, few learn to overcome it. But if the intent is not to be a better writer, if the intent is to simply keep some sort of scorecard… there will be no improvement in those areas. This is also the case when reading: When reading *in* argument, comprehension fails.

For example, I wrote recently that Second Life is a part of the internet - much as a nose is part of a face. Prok misquoted to server her purposes, stating that I said SecondLife *is* the internet. Why? It served her purposes *or* she has a low reading comprehension. She calls me a busybody, and yet she feels the need to comment on what I write of. Pot. Kettle. Black.

Consciously or subconsciously, it does not matter when the consistency is there. She claims that there are many nuances in her writing, and that she is misunderstood - I know many people who say the same thing, but they are going through puberty. From someone who gets propped up to be some sort of expert by people who are more interested in page reads than actual content, one should probably expect more.

One day, it will all go too far. Lawyers will become involved. And with a long history of this sort of nonsense - all recorded on the internet, including IP addresses - she builds the case against herself at every step. Leave her to her own devices. If she wants to be the Howard Stern of the web, let her be known as the Prok Jock.

*Chuckles*. A typical long and incoherent post from Busybody Fugazi, completely belying his point ROFL.

Sorry I can’t join Busybody is in his Internet Improvement campaigns, I’m not available for makeovers.

There was (is?) indeed a *soviet* (not sure it was russian) tradition to sit in the kitchen and criticize the existing things - no matter what the level of competency in the area being criticized. I get strong reminiscences and somewhat nostalgic feeling. Priceless.

(and before I get (re)labeled as an opensim tekkie communist, the ‘nostalgic feelings’ are about the ‘good old days’ of self, not about the kitchen conversations in particular or the political system at that time :)

>the ‘nostalgic feelings’ are about the ‘good old days’ of self, not about the kitchen conversations in particular or the political system at that time :)

Moy milyonok dissident
Vsyo chitaet Kontinent
On menya ebyot podpol’no
Khorosho no ochen’ bol’no

As I said - priceless. thank you :-)

Dead right Dalien. And I suspect it’s communist rather than just Russian. I’m an occasional fly on a wall at party meetings in China and it amuses me that the first thing everybody does, whatever their actual views might be, is to mercilessly trash the proposition on the table. For the record…..
Then they say what they think.

I’m Ben’s sister and all I have to say is “woohoo!!!” It’s about time somebody took on Prokofy’s google status. I really shouldn’t be getting involved in all this and I tried (really tried) to keep quiet but that’s just not my style (sorry Bro). Hell yeah, I’m offended, as any intelligent person should be by her comments but no, I’m not getting drawn into this any further than once again saying, ROCK ON BEN ;)

Little Benjie has to have his big sister come on the Internet and fight his battles for him? Huh? And from what I’ve seen little Benjie is there trying to Google bomb me all by himself, without any help lol.

Your little brother (big brother?) is a public figure now, hon, with views that some are going to criticize severely because they affect the society in which we live. For example, he has had considerable influence in causing a run on a bank. It’s not even a bank I have any interest in, but I’m for due process and the rule of law. I don’t think virtual lawyers should get to prosecute people via the Internet. It’s just that simple.

So, ROCK ON SIS, welcome to the world of free discourse. If you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. You might also wish to use your Google pointers further and read my rebuttals to your bro’s rantings.

Yes, it is free discourse on the internet, Prok, and you better get used to it yourself. Oddly, you seemed to want a lawyer’s help with TSO recently. Gee, I wonder if any lawyer would help you pro bono. You’ll just snap back and bite them. Laughable. One of the few people wandering around with a shovel digging holes and then when you fall in, you ask for help.

Pitiful. :-)

Busybody, you’re typical of many little trolling literalist tekkies, including Duranske himself, that you extrapolate from legitimate criticism of *one lawyer in SL* who has taken offensive positions, to somehow a discrediting of the entire bar, and a determination never to use the services of lawyers!

Now that’s obviously faulty logic and poor reasoning of the worst kind! Why would *legitimate and much-needed* criticism of one lawyer in a society somehow be an indictment of the entire profession? Why, if I added to that, *legitimate criticism of one wannabee law-student (soi-disant), Jessica Holyoke, would that be some sort of anti-lawyer position?!

Indeed, it is precisely because of a need to uphold the ideal of the profession and the bar and its role in society that citizens need to criticize those who fault short of the public expectation for good. Criticism of lawyers is absolutely legitimate and necessary in a liberal democracy under the rule of law. It could only be seen in the grotesque caricature you portray it by elitist corporativists who imagine that this profession — or its hilarious synthetic representative in SL — should somehow be immune from criticism.

This is the silly tendentious tactic that Duranske himself has taken, which only further discredits him, claiming that I am “against all professionals”.

I haven’t “fallen in” anywhere, BTW, I guess you are unable to detect humour and parody *shrugs*. My EA-Land customer service issue is a story that poses an interesting problem of property loss and due diligence when re-engineering games, etc. not some sort of victim-y lament.

So get use to the big pushbacks that come from me, Mr. “Civil Society,” because you will be getting them — regularly and often — each time you arrogate to yourself the notion to pontificate absurdly on the basis of your tekkie literalist and tendentious reading of an opinion you don’t like.

The amusing thing is, Prok, you’re predictable. I’m not the busybody. You’re the busybody. You’re the one who attacked me with 13 (or was it 14) posts. You’re the one who is always trying to be the center of attention, and you are also the one who - frankly - is so predictable that I set my watch to your response.

You write a lot of words, but you say so little, Catherine. Or is it that Catherine is much better with words, and Prokofy is a little screaming hubritic extension of a part of yourself?

I digress. You’re the Howard Stern of Second Life, with one major difference. Howard Stern is entertaining. :-)

Um, Busybody, I rebutted your increasingly shrill and obnoxious posts purporting to “speak for everybody” and “pronounce on the issues in the name of Civil Society”. That was a public service. It was a very good thing to begin to rebut somebody who begins to invade the publice space imagining that he represents the Received Wisdom, the very Epitome of the Wisdom of the Crowd. That’s life in the big city.

I fail to see any response to the problem of logic and reason indicated in my previous post, arguing from the particular to the whole, etc. I realize tekkie literalism is a severe condition that blinds its very sufferers.

Prokofy isn’t any “hubritic screaming extension of myself” (hehe not there’s a $64 word if ever there was one) but a perfectly legitimate pen name in a world of pen names such as “Nobody Fugazi” saying nothing different than what I would say in my own name, which is easily linked on the vast Googly Internet. I fail to see what the big “gotcha” is here.

Howard Stern is foul-mouthed and racist. I’m merely a sharp critic. That the thin-skinned neuralgics of the SL tekkie “Second Life Consultant” (rolls eyes) and Developers’ Elite (lol) should imagine that I’m a “Howard Stern” or “Noam Chomsky” or “Hitler” or whatever it is they fantasize is all part of the weirdness of the fetid little pond of SL. I’m just a normal person who comes along and points out how obviously pompous and dense you are, that’s all.

Glad to see you figured out how to undo the Pravda white-out on this comment section though ROFL.

While I appreciate all the support on this fairly insignificant problem — including that from, rather surprisingly, my younger sister (thanks, Sis) it isn’t really necessary.

The piece I wrote discrediting Prokofy’s odd ill-informed rants about me (one by painstaking one) which Vint quoted here only was available at VB for a few months in late 2007. I’ve sinced realized that aside from a couple of long-time friends, Prokofy doesn’t really have an audience that takes her seriously on her blogs, so my lengthy post wasn’t really necessary. I’ve replaced that post with a short note that a) suggests that if she keeps up her current tone, she’s not worth reading or getting upset over, and b) invites her to rejoin the community of thinking people who find a way to disagree civilly at Virtually Blind any time she’d like to, simply by focusing her attacks on ideas rather than people. Unfortunately, she hasn’t taken that path, and appears, at least for the forseeable future unlikely to. I remain genuinely hopeful that she and I can, one day, discuss issues related to these spaces without rancor.

Toward that end, I’d ask anyone who might read Vint’s post and find themselves concerned about Prokofy’s attacks to join me in simply ignoring them.

Proud to link to my blog: http://fetishfashionista.wordpress.com/

I have had more than one run-in with her, and my only advice is “don’t rise to the bait”. She has specific issues that she chooses not to treat.

SunShine

Benjamin Duranske is terribly thin-skinned and insecure. It’s precisely because I *do* have an audience that he has gone to these incredible lengths to write long diatribes against me, put them on his front page links, Google bomb me, etc. etc.

My critical response to Duranske’s antics in SL are legitimate and necessary in a democratic society. His response to them is draconian and dense, and only discredits *him*. My “tone” is not something that I accept dictation over from pompous wannabee virtual lawyers.

Duranske finds it intolerable that *his ideas* are attacked *along with him* as they indeed *must be* because ideas are embodied in people. They aren’t in uploaded brains in Duranske’s Extropian fantasy — not yet, anyway.

I won’t be debating Duranske likely *ever* as he is an invalid interlocutor who uses all kinds of unacceptable methods to try to control other people’s expression — not only the usual prevarications, but Googling bombing and planting of memes like “Prokofy is against all professionals”. (At one time, he declared that I was “against all men under 40″ ROFL).

If Duranske truly “ignores” my legitimate critiques, he wouldn’t find the need to have full-page diatribes denouncing me like a Pravda denunciation, and he wouldn’t have to linke to a special page about Prokofy on his front Page.

That a grown man accepted to the bar and writing books about law — even virtual law — could be so afraid of criticism that he has to link a denunciation page against his greatest critic on his *front page* (thereby ensuring more attention for it) SPEAKS VOLUMES.

This is pedantic. Every last piece of it, comments not excluded.

On the plus side, Prokofy seems to have: thought of every good idea first; objected to every bad idea first; thought of a better solution to every possible problem first; been able to identify and focus on all the _real_ problems in SL (not to mention RL!) with a necessarily virulent dismissal of all other problems not so blessed; recognized the necessity of denigrating those who commit, in her exquisite prose, the “retarded” error of disagreeing with her, or — worse — exhibiting the wrong tone in their remarks; and quite rightly realizing her mandate to rise up and smite the unworthy, whether they lurk in her blog or someone else’s, or cravenly cower in the SL forums, blogs or bug reporting system.

And who can argue with that? At least she’s not a narcissist. Oh, and — to again quote the master: lol.

Prok’s rarely the first, is accidentally right and borders on slander most of the time. She’s usually wrong about anything that she isn’t right about - which is most things, though accidents do happen.

To quote the Fanboy: lol

Truth is that she’s attractive to a lot of people who need a shockblog. Anyone who doesn’t know what she does she calls dumb - but when she screws up, she doesn’t take credit for her mistakes. She has made quite a few.

Prok is unworthy. It’s the fanboyz that continue the illusion. L8rz. :-D

Gosh, anonymous irresponsible “Cee Pee” (How about Three CP?!), could you back up those outrageous claims with an actual example?

Of where I claim to know all, be always right, blah blah? I just have an opinion. I stick to it. That, in these parts, is blasphemy, of course, since the conservative mob wishes to enforce conformity by mob rule.

As for Busybody, I won’t expect him to back up any of his fake claims with an actual example of where he believes I’m wrong. For him to do that, he might have to actually suffer a debate and a challenge to his dogmas.

I guess Busybody is endlessly to suffer newbies’ penis envy because he wasn’t *the first* to report on banks as Ponzis.

http://www.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2005/11/anshe_declares_.html

I think everybody who prides themselves on being “right” and “morally superior” needs to read this article.

It was the first.

It explained the real problem: lack of a free press, lack of freedom of speech on the Lindens blogs, such that the public could get alternative reports on something like Ginko.

Ah, that Prokofy can sniff out a morsel of satirical hyperbole - worry at it with feigned, yet so convincing, irrecognition - and cloak her (no doubt) ruefully jolly chuckles in such an indignant gnashing of teeth…

Truly an wit of the first order walks - no: flies! - among us. And so sadly unheeded.