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	<title>Comments on: Bragg vs. Linden Research II : the Landbot episode</title>
	<link>http://www.vintfalken.com/bragg-vs-linden-research-ii-the-landbot-episode/</link>
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		<title>By: Minsky sueing over SLart? &#124; VintFalken.com</title>
		<link>http://www.vintfalken.com/bragg-vs-linden-research-ii-the-landbot-episode/#comment-79325</link>
		<dc:creator>Minsky sueing over SLart? &#124; VintFalken.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 00:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bragg - this one on illegal land acquisition and the &#8216;legal properties&#8217; of SL land and this one we never heard of again achieved: instant SLfame to thus raise the sales of is &#8216;SLart [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Bragg - this one on illegal land acquisition and the &#8216;legal properties&#8217; of SL land and this one we never heard of again achieved: instant SLfame to thus raise the sales of is &#8216;SLart [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Virtually Blind - Virtual Law &#124; Legal Issues That Impact Virtual Worlds &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Commentary: Bragg Agitates for Class Action Against Landbot Users</title>
		<link>http://www.vintfalken.com/bragg-vs-linden-research-ii-the-landbot-episode/#comment-9904</link>
		<dc:creator>Virtually Blind - Virtual Law &#124; Legal Issues That Impact Virtual Worlds &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Commentary: Bragg Agitates for Class Action Against Landbot Users</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 04:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Veyron Supercharge</title>
		<link>http://www.vintfalken.com/bragg-vs-linden-research-ii-the-landbot-episode/#comment-9887</link>
		<dc:creator>Veyron Supercharge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vintfalken.com/bragg-vs-linden-research-ii-the-landbot-episode/#comment-9887</guid>
		<description>In regards to the class action, while I agree that the land bots are rather evil, determining who might be part of the class is going to be a real challenge.  Think about it, how do you know or can prove, that you were cheated by a land bot?  Obviously you might know you were, but how can you prove it?  You don't really have a record of the transaction, and how do you prove it was a landbot?

Then just finding people cheated by land bots will be a challenge.  Next, the amount of money they were cheated out of might be in real terms, rather small - $10US - $20US - etc.  Some people might be a lot more, but again, that is anecdotal.  

Final problem for the class action is a judge might not get the case at all.  There's a lot of explaining to do in the case to a judge and if it's not clear to them where the wrong is, they might just throw it out.

As far as the gossip, I don't have a lot of information other than what I overheard at a party, but that's pretty much what I heard.  These people seemed to be in the know, but then - a rumor is a rumor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to the class action, while I agree that the land bots are rather evil, determining who might be part of the class is going to be a real challenge.  Think about it, how do you know or can prove, that you were cheated by a land bot?  Obviously you might know you were, but how can you prove it?  You don&#8217;t really have a record of the transaction, and how do you prove it was a landbot?</p>
<p>Then just finding people cheated by land bots will be a challenge.  Next, the amount of money they were cheated out of might be in real terms, rather small - $10US - $20US - etc.  Some people might be a lot more, but again, that is anecdotal.  </p>
<p>Final problem for the class action is a judge might not get the case at all.  There&#8217;s a lot of explaining to do in the case to a judge and if it&#8217;s not clear to them where the wrong is, they might just throw it out.</p>
<p>As far as the gossip, I don&#8217;t have a lot of information other than what I overheard at a party, but that&#8217;s pretty much what I heard.  These people seemed to be in the know, but then - a rumor is a rumor.</p>
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		<title>By: Vint Falken</title>
		<link>http://www.vintfalken.com/bragg-vs-linden-research-ii-the-landbot-episode/#comment-9681</link>
		<dc:creator>Vint Falken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vintfalken.com/bragg-vs-linden-research-ii-the-landbot-episode/#comment-9681</guid>
		<description>Veyron, I do love (SL related) gossip. Please tell me more! ;)

&lt;em&gt;Companies and individuals usually like to settle at some point to reduce risks.&lt;/em&gt;

Pfff, that's taking all the fun out of law suits. I was so looking forward to - any - ruling. 

So you think he just wants to find some innocent residents that had enough of the land bots, represent them and thus get their money, regardless if they win or not? (&lt;- a bit blatantly put, but still... :p)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Veyron, I do love (SL related) gossip. Please tell me more! ;)</p>
<p><em>Companies and individuals usually like to settle at some point to reduce risks.</em></p>
<p>Pfff, that&#8217;s taking all the fun out of law suits. I was so looking forward to - any - ruling. </p>
<p>So you think he just wants to find some innocent residents that had enough of the land bots, represent them and thus get their money, regardless if they win or not? (<- a bit blatantly put, but still&#8230; :p)</p>
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		<title>By: Veyron Supercharge</title>
		<link>http://www.vintfalken.com/bragg-vs-linden-research-ii-the-landbot-episode/#comment-9680</link>
		<dc:creator>Veyron Supercharge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vintfalken.com/bragg-vs-linden-research-ii-the-landbot-episode/#comment-9680</guid>
		<description>I have it on good rumor that Bragg spent upwards of $90,000 US on this and pretty much came out if it with nothing.  Companies and individuals usually like to settle at some point to reduce risks.  You never know how a judge might rule one way or the other, and LL probably viewed there was a small risk of loosing, which was not worth the gain in winning (or they thought at this point they had won enough).

Rumor has it, that Linden had logs of him bragging how he cheated and beat their system (which was the premise of the case to begin with), which was not going to look good in court.  Which is probably why it was settled.

Remember, it's all a risk/reward.  Risk of loosing might greatly outweigh the reward of winning.

My guess is that this new legal tact is a means to recoup losses on the last failed legal attack.  In most class actions, the lawyers are the ones who make out with all the money.

My guess is he is going to have a hard time on this one.  But I do agree the landbots are not good.  I thought there was going to be some generalized action to prevent them from working?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have it on good rumor that Bragg spent upwards of $90,000 US on this and pretty much came out if it with nothing.  Companies and individuals usually like to settle at some point to reduce risks.  You never know how a judge might rule one way or the other, and LL probably viewed there was a small risk of loosing, which was not worth the gain in winning (or they thought at this point they had won enough).</p>
<p>Rumor has it, that Linden had logs of him bragging how he cheated and beat their system (which was the premise of the case to begin with), which was not going to look good in court.  Which is probably why it was settled.</p>
<p>Remember, it&#8217;s all a risk/reward.  Risk of loosing might greatly outweigh the reward of winning.</p>
<p>My guess is that this new legal tact is a means to recoup losses on the last failed legal attack.  In most class actions, the lawyers are the ones who make out with all the money.</p>
<p>My guess is he is going to have a hard time on this one.  But I do agree the landbots are not good.  I thought there was going to be some generalized action to prevent them from working?</p>
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		<title>By: Smiley Barry</title>
		<link>http://www.vintfalken.com/bragg-vs-linden-research-ii-the-landbot-episode/#comment-9662</link>
		<dc:creator>Smiley Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vintfalken.com/bragg-vs-linden-research-ii-the-landbot-episode/#comment-9662</guid>
		<description>Now i'm VERY grateful we don't have Landbots! :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now i&#8217;m VERY grateful we don&#8217;t have Landbots! :-D</p>
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