You have only yourself to blame for following the chimera and shill of Creative Commons. Socialism leads to crime — here’s a living proof.

Putting up items to copy but not profit from goes again nature — and asks for trouble. If you truly, truly want to give things away, give them away, and don’t get upset when other people resell them. If you put something out to be copied, expect it to be copied and don’t clutch at it!

If you want to profit from it–and you should!!! — lock it up, and offer it — for a fee. If you see it for sale without having received a licensing fee — call your lawyer.

Stop the technocommunism, stop the Common Creatives.

ough.

There is no way the system know which texture is copyrighted or not. But it’s bit hard to take down every such issue with DMCA. ;(

everyone who owns psp and ps has a heart shaped brush in there folders can you bbe sure these are your textures .. if so pls feel free to file dmca thru imvu

I’ll gladly do that, Jaded, including .psd creation files, and a larger than 512×512 texture! =)

@Nock: If a nice lady didn’t send me that message, I would have even never known. If only they would have least given me credit, I would have let it pass, I believe, but the fact they didn’t, and one even said “I created”, really pissed me off. :/

Hi I can tell you one thing. It is not possible to have a product at Zero Credits on IMVU. You have to pay for the original Mesh which is 529 Credits. See here —-> http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=148 Not to mention there’s the developer’s one time submission fees, whatever percentage IMVU takes off each sale, as well as the 10% required mark-up from IMVU for each sale on every item. I’m amazed that most of those are even below the 529 price, lol, it’s not likely that they’re making very much if anything at all. Doing the math…it takes about 1,700 - 2,000 Credits to equal a dollar, depending on where you get them from, so they would have to sell A LOT of those eyes to make any real money off of it. As a developer…my submission fee for each item is 350 credits. I’m only tier 4, so without knowing their actual tier I can’t tell you what theirs sub fee is. I can tell you that I love eyes, and do have a little shopping habit and have never heard of those developers before. I can also tell you that since there is not a red boarder around their icon, they are not a pro developer, so they are not tier 5 or higher, so they’re at least paying as much as I am, if not more. That would be on top of the cost of the original product that you’re deriving from. Sorry, I’m not saying that you have no right to be upset about what has happened, just that these products may actually be at the “breakeven” price, so they may not be making any credits off of them at all. My name is my avi name on IMVU so feel free to message me if you have any questions.

Argh. Good luck with this one.

@Prokofy, get over yourself.

they deleted your forum post

I just noticed that too…it’s possible that it was because it was a guest name.

One of them is just simply a recoloring…there’s a little drop/stripe of blue on the bottom right hand corner, that got missed. I wasn’t saying that they didn’t copy you…maybe you didn’t read my post/book lol yet…just that it is possible that IMVU is getting all the credits for those eyes.

I hope you don’t mind, but since you were unable to, I have messaged them all telling them to read this so that they can make the changes. With the exception of Diamondsakura3286 who has already taken her item out of the catalog.

If you put something up for free ONLINE….You should only expect someone is going to use your image. If you dont like people using it, Then use your head and DONT PUT IT UP for FREE. Its only Common Sense, dude. Its no one else’s fault but yourself. You were in the wrong by putting it up for free, so people saw it and thought “oh wow.. I can use this…”

“Stop the technocommunism, stop the Common Creatives.”

That has to be one of the most unintentionally funny sentences I have read in a while.

Vint, sorry people are not following the rules. Stick it to ‘em! =)

Hey there, I’m an IMVU creator and figured I’d see if I can help you get a message across to these morons.

I can suggest another way to contact them, and that would be by PMing them in the forum. Regardless of whether the person has your avatar blocked or not, you’ll be able to send them a private message via the forum.

http://www.imvu.com/catalog/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpbb2&file=privmsg.php&mode=post

Simply put the avatar contact name in. If you’re lucky the person will recieve an email that they’ve recieved a PM, if not then the next time they visit the forum then they should get a pop up box telling them about a new message.

Texture thieves are a pain in the ass, but unfortunately common. I hope things are settled for you. =]

I see they took down your thread… I already feared they would when you mentioned fairness, lol!
Not sure if you read my message on how to contact those avatars?
Message me on imvu if not.
Hope all turns out allright en als je Nederlands spreekt is dat mss makkelijker? (quote: “een welgemeende fuck you” grinz)
*hugz, WuWei.

ok, I missed the discussion in here, sorry… I see you did PM them…
good…. IMVU is not very customer-friendly imho, I’m surprised you even got a message, rofl!
Good luck!

maeparker is apparently ignorant to the world of copy write… that’s like telling a person it’s their fault their artwork is ripped off because they displayed it on a website for art…

i did notice lizzie borden has removed her’s but the rest still have them up…

in my times that i’ve actually poked around imvu i’ve found alot of copy write infringement on that site.. those “stickers” people sell.. pretty much just take anything you want… and upload it or what ever they do with imvu textures and claim it a sticker.. i’ve seen a lot ripped off art being sold as stickers. it makes my skin crawl.

something interesting about the akemia eyes.. it shows on the page a derivation tree http://www.imvu.com/shop/derivation_tree.php?products_id=3011257

ok i am so so so sorry for this but i swear god i didnt knew that i am not aloud to use your eyes … sorry but i dont read alot and i had to read your rules . sorry again

The added “disabled”status says that that avatar no longer exists on IMVU. They are not able to change anything about their product or the pages, you’ll have to talk to IMVU to see if anything can be done about it.
All of the other avatars can be reached through forum PM; altho not everyone is aware of their forum messages….

Yes, in IMVU everything is derived off of another. All credits payed for a product get split between:
1 IMVU
2 the mesher of the derived product,
3 sometimes another dev who added to the product
4 the actual dev of the item

What happens to the credits earned by a disabled dev is a mystery to me. Some say IMVU takes it, some say it sits in the disabled account to detract some credits out of the system.

Thought you might like to know that they have all been taken out of the catalog with the exception of HILDOR who has not been on since the 4th.

When there’s no word about copyright it’s for free. In my busy life i try to make it my own , sometimes i don’t do that. It’s a real good looking eye and thought lets give it a try , but no way i did sell it only one time that means a fail product for me. Now i don’t want any problem i put it the same time as hidden and it’s not for sale anymore. Sorry for the problems this will never happen anymore , only the next time say copyright.

“And yes, I replied before I read/approved your - interesting - book. And felt pretty attacked. (This was not heart brush, but liquify, btw! ;)) I think also I clicked “reply to Jamers8×2″ in stead of “reply to Jaded” by accident. :D (sorry!)”
I hope it wasn’t my post that made you feel attacked, I’m so sorry, that was not my intention at all. Ask Wu, lol, she can attest to the fact that I sometimes don’t word things the way I mean to. :D *Waves at Wu*
Two of them messaged me saying thank you for letting them know, that they were unaware. One of the two even said that it was not Flickr that she got it from…it’s so easy to copy things in photobucket, so maybe someone has it there too? A lot of people do make the assumption that just cuz it’s there, they can use it…I’ve even done it myself with stickers as mentioned above by someone when I first started developing.
The most one can do on IMVU is hide the product from the catalog…for some reason IMVU doesn’t allow them to be deleted unless they want it to be. Sorry, that’s probably another book. :D

I tried to warn you of this back in December there was a guy in the IMVU forums SELLING that texture as his own when I called him on it i got a warning from a imvu mod.

I looked for the original thread when i saw your imvu post. and could not find it but i did find a copy of the warning I received i would be more than happy to supply a name for ya

heck i’ll forward you the warning I got

First up, I’m sorry you’re going through this Vink, stay strong and stick at it.

Secondly, wtf @ the line of argument that you should expect something to be stolen, and not complain if it is, if you put it out in open space. Take that analogy to the real world to see how so very wrong it is: If I leave my car in a carpark (an open space) and it’s stolen, that’s expected and my own fault..? Neither do I have to add a line of text above it saying “this is my car, not yours, don’t take it”. In the real world we all know not to steal stuff that we don’t own or didn’t create, let alone sell it on for a profit - why do people suddenly loose all common sense and general knowledge in the virtual world..? Sheesh.

At least the creative commons laws ARE absolutely defendable… Prok has allot of FREAKING nerve.. when you give something away that is copywritten under the creative commons act, it does NOT mean “steal this and make money off of it as is”..

If you have a creative commons protection on something its not like “not locking your car”.. its like having the matterials at a university, and you offer to share them.. but NOT allow people to take them and sell them.. I mean, ok my “fee” or taxes, or whatever allows me to USE something for my own purposes, but not to sell them.. especially without credit to the creator (that was the version of the CC law you had?) and certainly not for profit, ( depending also upon the version of the commons you have.)

If I have an image on Flickr, and I post it under the creative commons version of “Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs Creative Commons” it doesn’t mean I’m giving my things away.. it means I have given people the right to post or blogg on the issue, to download the image and publish it non-commerically attributing me as the person/avatar who created the image. It also means I have given people the chance to LEARN from something.

Last night I did a little Situationist International journey via the Flickr DNA search and found that people had actually POSTED images I created and blogged them.. and gave me credit for them.. I was pleased that it showed up and that the system was actually working, although it wasn’t really my intention and is different from your situation, you creating this texture and having it on creative commons does not mean, I must repeat, that you have a flag on your head that says “Please steal from me”..

If I offer my EYeZ! by AET, out on the grid for free, does this mean I want people to “steal” them too? perhaps this is what Prok means.. that to give anything away means, “I want people to steal from me” and that is just not the point of creative commons..the creative commons are to PROTECT us when we do give things away..so as they follow the law to the strict sense of complying to the terms of the agreement.

Its obvious that some people need to be REMINDED that there are rules…but that just because of this failure in understanding (the idea that if its free, stealing it is OK)

Remember the Another Skin templates… this is a learning resource, like your eye templates, (as well as Chip Midnight’s templates which started me on my little journey). I find it odd that anyone could just take it as IS and not do anything different with them and simply sell them.. for any kind of money, but there is allot of “inferiour” content out there being sold.

I think the CC is more protective and more defendable than the other copywritten styles.. but when I sell my items commercially, as with most of my peers, we feel strongly that we should make it so that it would cost MORE to pirate each texture than actually purchase the item, and I know it sounds like a self defeating style of marketing and pricing.. but even if its virtually idiot proof and the bottom line IS, if someone can actually turn a profit on my work without me, GOOD freaking LUCK… god help them.. I want a huge cut (ALL of it!!). cos it IS my work after all!

Best wishes Vint!

P.S. having a look on that site IMVU, I note that many are filter Forge created AS IS as well… :P

Let’s try a little reductio ad absurdum combined with Prokofy’s beloved “reasoning by analogy”…

“Putting up items for sale but to copy goes again [sic] nature — and asks for trouble.” Which is true; people have to be taught not to steal. So why, I wonder, does Prokofy object to the GPL?

A friend sent me this link, making fun of the technocommunist comment. I read the rest of the page out of curiosity. As I read, I became more amazed and angry.

I’m furious on your behalf, that you should have to do this much work to protect yourself, that people think they have a right to effing steal just because it’s on the web, that these stupid people don’t even know how to read, that some of them would have the audacity to try to defend thievery!

Look, dumba**es, don’t steal people’s stuff and sell it. Sorry your parents raised you to act like ruthless fools, but it’s wrong. Do we need to spank you and put you in the corner to teach you right from wrong? Grow the f up. Make your own stuff. Do your own work. And if you get busted stealing, at least have the decency to own up, apologize, and undo the wrong.

It’s stuff like this that makes me more misanthropic every day.

The disabled in the name means that the account has been temporarily or permanently banned because of misconduct. Most likely they have been reported for other stolen items.

Ok, so i am the person quoted right at the top of this blog from facebook who noticed this in imvu.

Im glad i messaged you, im also glad you are getting it sorted and they are taking down their products. Or should i say YOUR products. You should look for the eye with the flower in it too. A lot of people cant create eyes from filters or various shape tools and they only see fit to steal from others.

It wouldnt be so bad if they maybe used yours as a reference and tried to create something similar.

anyway, i am also a dev on imvu and i am happy to say i create my own eyes from scratch!! :)

Trashcut that’s not true. The disabled will show up even if someone has deleted their own account. Accounts can be disable for various reasons. A friend of mine tried to make an homepage for a group I’m in which happens to have the term DOC in the name. For Non-IMVUers, that’s the Daily Outfit Challenge. So she named the account after the group. It got disabled that same day just cuz it had the term DOC in it. She didn’t even get a message saying she needed to change it first, lol. Thing that sucks is that she had already paid the $7-$8 for the name, so she lost out on that money just cuz she made a simple mistake.

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For the record I received no royalties from mine. I removed them from the catalog as well. Perhaps it would have been kinder to speak to me as I did not understand what you had meant. mine were for use for close friends not for profit as gifts. I apologize for any misunderstandings.

BTW…. I never recieved a message on my homepage as a prior post had claimed or I would have removed them from the catalog sooner and I only happened along this by chance surfing the web.

Yes, perhaps so. However my understanding was it was a free texture so long as was not profitting from it. I never proffited from it so I see not where I went wrong. The people who owned them I gave them to. I paid all the way around for the eyes. So I made nothing. However, like I said they have been removed from my catalog so you cannot claim I make a profit from something that is yours.

Well, again… they have been modified to something different and removed from my catalog. I am a fairly new developer and still learning. Like I stated… I was under the belief so long as i did not profit I was within guidelines. Yes they were in my catalog and pricy for eyes. this is quite often done so that others don’t buy them. I recently learned you may hide items in the catalog and they do not disappear from the peoples inventories. I explained to the people I gave the eyes to what was up and changed them.

No-Derivs means that they’re not actually allowed to make any derivative works at all, whether commercial or not. Hence why I had to ask your explicit permission to make the eyes purple :)

Hello -

We’re sorry to see that you’ve had these issues with our users and your images.

We’d like to get feedback on ways that we may be able to prevent this from happening in the future or at least ways for others to contact us to resolve these issues.

Please email me.

Thanks,
Tracey

The disabled in the name means that the account has been temporarily or permanently banned because of misconduct. Most likely they have been reported for other stolen items.

It could mean anything. It could mean they were found violating the IMVU TOS (Content not allowed on IMVU because of the underage community) That is the most common reason for disabled accounts.
A lot of people leave and delet their account but because they have products in the catalog IMVU keeps the account up ad disabled. IMVU is all about their profit not the developers. The only developers making a profit are the resellers of credits, if they are not a reseller, they are just the working poverty on IMVU, barely making the credits to submit their next product. I am not defending those who openly were aware of the infringement I am however explaining that those people definitely are not making a profit. LOL! Unless of course again they a part of a reseller for credits.

For your information, people paid with real money to develop products on IMVU and most of the time buyers paid items with earned credits so they don’t give any money to the seller but tolken (means you can buy a song that you can play in Imvu rooms) and they don’t sell that much as there is huge of items in the catalog.

If Imvu’s took off your blog; it’s not because you were a guest but you did not subscribe to have fun but only reports your problems.

@ Seige - thats not true about not making a profit. I for one do not sell credits. I also would not develop on IMVU (which takes A LOT of time) if I didn’t make a profit. I convert my credits from IMVU to Real $$$ and pay my household bills with it. If that’s not making a profit, then I don’t know what is.

Wow would like to know your secret about making a profit. because IMVU has everyone Strong armed, well unless of course you are a VIP who gets huge discounts that would really explain your profit. And converting it to pay bills, I seriously doubt you make enough on IMVU to do that. At one time people were able to but IMVU has made thing too difficult to make a profit off of them that only those who group together and unionize themselves really have a chance, unless of course again you are VIP which means you shouldn’t have to convert your credits because you can afford to pay monthly anyway. Now none of those mentioned above are pro so there is no way in heckers they are making a profit they are still at the bottom paying out their ears to even submit products. But again if your willing to share your magic wand with everyone maybe we all could pay our bills too. I know how much time it takes to be a developer. I’ve been one for awhile. It’s all hit and miss here, if you have a great product is sells Sometimes word of mouth or shout outs get your product noticed but no one ever has a constant sale sorry, find it hard to believe you can still convert 10,000 into paying an electric bill especially if those are all Promo Creds.But hey if you are then I’m glad you figured out the system on converting your creds due to the way IMVU set it up and tax reporting and all that jazz. That’s why peeps went in to reselling their credits so they would not have to deal with the Book work IMVU set up for conversions. But any who. I noticed that one more Developer has submitted they eye texture with roses around the iris once again. It passed peer review, I will get the name of the devi if it’s not one already mentioned.

Ok it’s a devi you already mentioned but, they are still submitting the eyes in full force JanianaPaladin. I told her to stop because she is gonna get legal action on her soon. let’s see if she listens if not, then I would gladly be happy to report her to IMVU on your behalf. Since I am not a guest, they might (and I mean Might) take notice and disable the developer.

@ Seige - I am not VIP - I dont Buy credits. I am a Pro Developer Tier Level 6. I sell products in my catalogue, and also sell graphics, and take on custom requests. I convert about 200,000 through Imvusale.com (who i am partnered with) roughly every 3 days. At the moment I get about $46 per 100,000 credits to my paypal account. So Yes, It helps cover my household bills. I dont work, i do IMVU and website design from home and run an ebay shop full time whilst looking after my 3 yr old son. So it IS possible to make a profit from IMVU. My top selling product gives me a 2,000 credit profit, which is a house derived from Anshe - currently i get about 10 sales a day. My other best selling product is a custom male skin which is number 6 in the hottest selling items in the male custom enhanced skin category. I get 500 credit profit from each sale (unless dev tokens of course) and i get about 20 sales a day. I have recently spent 5k on shoutouts, and 100k on a bling/badge for my Tutorial group but that was funded by donations from other group members. So i dont actually pay a whole lot for advertising. I get out a lot more from imvu - i get a discount on submissions being a pro level 5/6 (it fluctuates) but its only a small discount. But sale numbers soon outweigh submission costs. Yes you are right - you dont get constant sales. Roughly i get between 30-60 sales a day - all i know is my hotmail account currently has about 1739 unread emails from each sale i make. The majority of my credits come from graphics i make. I charge 5k per avi pic, 20-40k per sticker, 100k per page makeover. i currently have about 16 graphic requests outstanding - if you want to come check me out or my catalogue my name is KLLGraphix. I have linked the website above. - Anyway, this isn’t about me - so sorry for going off topic! I just wanted to share with you, if you are in disbelief!! :)

oh and also - i am not USA resident - im in the UK….so filing taxes etc is different over here….and as for easy way to convert them, i just sell them to imvusale.com or if there rates are down then i use Lisnevash

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! So it’s not just Deriving stuff that you do… *smirks* That makes a lot more sense. I will definitely check you out then!

I agree with Seige and do not believe Katie at all; you have to be really big to make some money.

@Abyssin - up to you, but I know there is a reason why i dont chose to be employed, but to stay at home with my son and work from home. If i didnt make money then my husband would be the first one to be screaming at me to go back to work!!!!

LOL! I hear ya on that one. I would love to work from home.

I stole your eyes too. I make at least 80 sales a day off of them. I tell everyone that I created them, but you will never find out who I am. You will never catch me. Not if you search the catalog for a million years, because I hide them from the catalog and sell them off site. Good luck; I look forward to selling more of your eyes. *sticks out tounge*

I just wanted to add…there are several pro developers that are stay at home Mom’s and make enough to significantly help support their family from their IMVU products alone. However, the people who are pro are creative and talented enough to come up with their own ideas, they don’t need to steal. One of them is a friend of mine and she hand draws her products on her tablet. The people who used this design weren’t pro developers so it’s not likely that they’re making much. I’m level 4, just one level below pro and I still have to buy credits occasionally, lol.
Also, that same Pro Dev friend of mine recently had her account disabled over the placement of a sticker, lol, apparently in ONE browser it covers the report link…so you can see how easily someone can get their account disabled over nothing. If they don’t disable it themselves…a lot of people are unhappy with IMVU lately and leaving for another 3D Chat like SL or There…so it’s not ALWAYS TOS!

Yes but they do more than just develop as you mentioned, you do other things such as graphic request and so on also to make a good income on deriving alone, I am sure they derive for other web sites as well such as… Second Life. With respect that you are making an income but it’s not just from deriving alone. That’s what people are looking at here.

Yeah I can’t understand why peeps get disabled for that, it’s not fare to the person who is not using Fire Fox. Besides there is another way to report someone so the whole sticker covering it issue on the HP is ridicules. It’s IMVU’s way of pulling power over you.

Also an update on JanianaPaladin, she changed her Avi name to EquusGirl and has removed all the eyes that has your texture. But she is still making eyes with a heart as the pupil, just a very diff texture now.

http://s682.photobucket.com/albums/vv182/sexymetalchick69/?action=view&current=eyes.jpg

was doing peer review and after reading this blog a bit ago I noticed them instantly. Amazing people have no creativity.

cant give a link to the item but can give the name as I ran across them in peer review.

[SLK] Purple Heart Eyes

http://avatars.imvu.com/slinky696969

that is her avatar page you can see them in her newest products, good luck with the dmca take down

I am so sorry this happened to you. I’m glad to see at least a few of them took your stuff down without an argument.

I also just want to say a little something in defense of imvusale.com… IMVUsale does not “make” the products, per say, but simply buys credits from their affiliated creators and then sells those credits to other users. I don’t want to see them mixed up in all this negatively as if everyone affiliated with IMVUsale is a thief. Just wanted to clear that up for anyone who may have that idea (I’m NOT affiliated with IMVUsale in any way, btw =D)

I haven’t dealt with them directly, but if this sort of thing ever comes up again, you may want to also have a word with their affiliated credit reseller (IMVUsale in this case). I had to file DMCAs on someone before and I contacted their reseller about the situation and the owner was kind enough to have the offending party removed from their buying rotation. I can’t say everyone will do the same, but it’s worth a try. The community tends to sort of watch out for each other as far as theft is concerned, since IMVU isn’t always putting out like we would like.

I was also going to say something about making money on IMVU but.. I’ll keep that for a post on my own blog. I just want to say that yeah it’s possible, yes people do it, and that if it wasn’t for IMVU I would have a very sad and poor second life, lol.

Anyway… yeah… back to attempting to break into the SL market! Sorry again for this. x.x This article reminds me I have some of my very own DMCAs to send in, unfortunately, but this stuff is for SL. =/

_disabled_xxxxxxxx mean they’re already deleted their user. Then you can’t contact them to delete it. However I still see some link that not took out your texture - http://www.imvu.com/shop/product.php?products_id=2926603&quickfind=new but he/she edit it.
Interesting fact.

this does not shock me that devs are allowed to take what they wish since imvu has no morals and loses so many customers daily… they treat their customers like dirt… not a company i would refer my friends to… if you tell anyone of something they did wrong they will silence you by deleting your account… i had a sexual relationship w/ a staff member and since we stopped talking and in their terms of service they can disable you for Any reason, they deleted my account… i spoke up in the forums b/c they refuse to tell me why and give me back mine and my families’ accounts, (6 accounts worth over $2,500 USD) they are once again trying to disable my new account… they do not want people to know how they run things… i have reported them to the BBB and several other federal places for fraud… not a place you should put money into… here is a copy paste from a post i made in a group…

“okie yes… i started the “great IMVU ideas” group out as carpathianchic… i changed my name to pantherauncia and then badiataiah… a lot happened and i needed time off so i helped my neice get started on imvu… i gave her this group and even shared the account and helped her learn to dev… then left that account and decided i had enough of a break and i came back… as badiahtaiah…

my neice got disabled… i didnt know why so i used the house email address to write imvu and see why for her… i knew she would have flipped… so i wrote imvu to see why… they said why and told me she was out of luck so it was left at that… but b/c i couldnt help her and i was friends w/ staff, she got mad enough to get me and my family gone so she tried, and it worked… im back now, but am starting from scratch and will no longer give imvu my money…

before you buy any credits or shop their catalog or buy the AP or anything think of me… a member of imvu who busted her ass to help them… and has been around enough to know that imvu cares nothing about their customers so i hate giving them money…

i gave them over $2500 and they disabled me for no reason… b/c some girl was mad she had my account disabled and told them my accounts and my kids accounts and my boyfriends account (6 total accounts) were hers… and she no longer wanted them so gave them away… imvu disabled me for giving away accounts, which i did nothing of the sort… i was even on the account 4 hours before they deleted them… but to get someone disabled, thats all anyone has to do, tell imvu it is your account and you gave it away… imvu will disable the account and take the person off your hands…

when i begged for my accounts back, all they said is it is against TOS to give away accounts and that i am responsible for the email the other girl sent to them concerning my imvu accounts and they are sorry for the inconvienience…

i have lost everything after putting all that money and energy into it to help imvu out and have a hobby to help myself relieve the stress of everyday life and my family members that were dying… so i do not want to give them more money… i had the AP on 2 accounts… and over 200 pages of inventory combined between them… not to mention i was VIP from the start… (i joined the first month it came out)… also allowed my 2 children to join later… so $30 a month and their 100 pages of inventory combined… imvu took it all b/c the girl said they were all her accounts…

i was a tier 3 dev… i had changed my name 3 times… my children even changed their names once… and one of my accounts still had a token… so says a lot about what i put into imvu, not to mention all the time and effort i had at once put into this group before i had gotten discouraged w/ them… w/ that said… thats the main reason i do not have an AP now…

all b/c my old Master was an imvu staff member and it ended sourly… that is what i believe it boils down to, that and the girl that disabled my accounts did not like that i made her actually do work and told me to stop flagging nude avis and clothing that did not meet mcg so they could focus on other parts of the site and client… she wanted to disable my accounts for any reason and she found one… and is sticking to it b/c she hates to admit she was wrong… she will not take responsibility for her own actions of poor judgment of using her opnion of me instead of acting professionally…

i understand taking the one girls account… for us sharing and other reasons… i understand taking responsiblity for an account on imvu if you made it and the account breaks TOS, i do not understand how i could be responsible for an email that someone wrote to them about accounts that do not belong to the one that wrote the email…

my whole family was disabled and they never shared their accounts w/ anyone… just the one account was shared and it was disabled… but yeah… thats what happened to me… those that knew the girl knew when it was me and her, we had even chatted together on our seperate accounts a few times… get mad at someone the same way and you can distroy their whole imvu world the same way mine was taken…

yeah… imvu is horrible… they fired all the people who actually gave a crap… so its going down the toilet now… they treat us like dirt… so many are going to second life and i honestly dont see imvu lasting in the long term,,, yeah… draw in kids who dont pay and harrass the devs for free stuff… for free credits and never put a dime in it… but treat the adults who pay real money… who have jobs and work hard for everything they get… like crap… my income for a family of five is $1000 a month for food and bills and everything… so me sinking $2500 into this site is saying a lot… it took me a while to get that far for them to take it… if i were you all i would not trust them… they can do the same to you w/o any warning just because they dont like you…

yeah and it wasnt my account hacked… was an email… an email linked to another persons account… not even linked to everyone in my household… and now im told we are responsible for emails too… something we have no control over at all…

Ticket #:5565-7919753

2/19/2009 9:50 AM PDT yes i have filed a few help tickets and so have my children… they tickets are being tossed out and noone is responding to them… so… ill put the issue i have in here… im not allowed to start a topic or post anywhere else it seams so please move this where it is needed… i wrote a help ticket asking why my 3 accounts were disabled… (BadiaTaiah, NashobaKnight, and WhiteLunaLycan)… did not get any response for 4 days i think it was, so i added a comment to the help ticket (Ticket #5565-7857584)… this is what it read…

Quote:
i found out i was disabled for giving away accounts? ok… who has the right to take someones word on that matter w/o checking w/ the real account owner? i never recieved a notification that my account was disabled and noone emailed my real email address linked to my account w/ this issue… they just took the word of someone who wrote from an email linked to their own account… not the accounts that were disabled… yes i am mad… i have my sons upset b/c they dont understand what they did wrong since they were never hardly on… their avi names were heat and captainunderpants… and you can email them w/ the address linked to those accounts… and my boyfriend is priapism… same thing… those accounts are not even mine… look at the last time he logged on… he rarely was on and they were the only people who had access to those accounts… my accounts were badiataiah, whitelunalycan and nashobaknight… and i was even on 2 the night before i was disabled, i was saving my outfits and had just went shopping on my badiataiah the day before… i would like to know why someone did not check w/ me first before believing someone who did not have the accounts instead of disabling all accounts linked w/ my household…

the response they gave me was… they deleted the help ticket like it never existed and gave me no response… so can someone help me?

2/19/2009 10:02 AM PDT i would just like to point out that i have put a lot of money into my accounts and had no reason to give the accounts away… why would i put more money and time into the account the night before i was disabled? and why would i get rid of an account that i do not even own? i had my son on the VIP program… and had over $2,500 or more invested into all our accoutns b/c it was a hobby to me… the kids got on time to time to shop or submit a sticker or play on their homepages… but that was rare b/c school is in… and my boyfriend hadnt been on in ages… can someone please let me know what is going on and how this is fair? we did nothing wrong… someone wrote from their own email account and said they owned our imvu accounts and pretended to be us and claimed to give the accounts away and it was believed? shouldnt we have to write something like that from our own email address? not theirs? why is this allowed to happen?

regardless… can you please just reinstate the 6 wrongly disabled accounts so we can use them and enjoy the service that we have invested so much into? that is all i am requesting so i can end these emails and help requests…

2/21/2009 1:20 PM PDT included now is a quote from a post i made in a thread in a group…

“”"well my accounts were stolen by imvu w/o reason… someone told staff she was me… then went on to say that she owned my 3 accounts, and both my sons accounts, and my boyfriend’s account… then went on to tell them that she didnt want the accounts so she gave them away… imvu believed her… and disabled everyone in my house’s accounts… w/o reason and refuse to fix it… all we want are our accounts back… i put over $2,500 into my accounts and just had them snatched based on a lie… imvu never looked into it… never questioned it… the accounts were WhiteLunaLycan, BadiaTaiah, Heat, CaptainUnderpants, Priapism, and Nashobaknight… someone told me this is a good lawsuit but all i want is my accounts back… the end… i loved my BadiaTaiah account… had everything on it… why on earth would i throw away that much money if i wasnt going to use it? i would never give away my accounts… i had been hear over 2 years… i was even logged into my accounts and shopping the night before i was disabled… so yeah… something needs to be done to prevent this…

thats like me telling them that i am put your avi name here… and i dont want the account anymore and so i gave it to katie… then they disable you… b/c she gave it away… and she knows nothing about it… it makes no sense… but that is exactly what has happened to me…”"”

2/28/2009 6:38 PM PDT i have posted the following on my page that better explain the issue that is going on…

“to get an account disabled all you have to do is tell imvu that it is your account and you gave it away b/c you dont want it anymore… imvu will disable that account w/o any questions… it is what happened to me… someone said she was me and told imvu that all 6 accounts listed below are hers and she gave them away b/c she no longer wanted them… imvu shut them down w/o any questions… IMVU was fraudulently told by someone who was mad at me, that they owned my 3 accounts and both my sons accounts and my room mates account… then went on to say that they gave the accounts away… without checking w/ me and the owners of the other 3 accounts, imvu wrongly disabled them saying we are not allowed to give away accounts… i did not do this… imvu is wrong for their actions and refuse to fix this… they are a company w/ no morals… instead of fixing what they did wrong, they ignore it… for this reason, i will not put in any money into this account… i am only here b/c a few friends did not want to see me leave… if you have any ideas on how to go about fixing this or what i should do and who to contact other than report them to the FCC or BBB, then please let me know… all i want is my accounts and the others returned since they were taken fraudulently and w/o cause… we did nothing wrong… i was PantheraUncia/BadiaTaiah, NashobaKnight, and WhiteLunaLycan… my kids were Heat and CaptainUnderpants… my room mate was Priapism…”

this is unfair… we did nothing wrong to get our accounts disabled… i have also sent a homepage message to caryjay asking an explanation b/c i do not see how my whole family was affected… this is not fair and i would appreciate an explanation on how this is allowed… i have invested a lot into my accounts and my kids… on my badiataiah homepage was info on how to contact me b/c i was thinking i was going to leave… but i didnt… i had that message on my page for a few days but was still signing in to chat w/ friends… i was even on the night before until the wee hours of the morning just to make sure i had saved all my outfits… when i logged out and went to bed, i didnt think anything of it… a few hours later when i woke up, i tried to log back in only to find i was disabled along w/ all my family members… i even made this account to be able to keep up w/ my friends… i would never give away my accounts b/c imvu has been such an important part of my life for so long… i would like to discuss this w/ someone if possible…

3/2/2009 12:15 PM PDT today i just got this…
staff response here
when i clicked on it i noticed the number was different… and i got this message…
“”Error: You are not authorized to view this ticket (#5565-7857584).”"

i did not tell staff name hidden that i gave my accounts away… nor did i tell her that my sons accounts and my boyfriends accounts were mine… i would like my accounts back… i did not give them away… my accounts were badiataiah, whitelunalycan and nashobaknight… badiataiah was my main account… i used the nashobaknight for pics b/c it was my male account… and then i had whitelunalycan for submitting stickers only and since i got that account from a friend last year and never hardly use it, i dont care… i think it was staff name hidden who knew this… i had the age changed on it when i obtained it… i told you guys right off the bat that i had gotten it from a friend and needed the age changed… but that is the only account that was swapping hands and that was last year… i have over $120 invested in just music in my badiahtaiah account… i enjoyed listening to it… i would not give my accounts away… i was informed to contact corie about this… but was not told how to… please… i dont even care about the whitelunalycan account… i never used it… but i would like my other 2 restored to me and my household would like their accounts back… i have never owned their accounts… they made their own last year when i showed them what imvu was…

3/2/2009 8:27 AM PDT staff name hidden has been trying to get me disabled for some time and took this as a reason to… i feel i have been picked on b/c she does not like me… this is unprofessional… and no reason my kids and boyfriend should suffer… she needs to let her opinions and judgment of me go and act appropriately… i feel that since she is head of CS then someone else should really look into this matter besides CS… this is a conflict of interest…

3/5/2009 9:05 PM PDT i see that this is in progress… i explained things in detail to staff name hidden… she saved the chat log and sent it to someone else… so im sure you can get your hands on that… it is more detail about what happened and why…

3/10/2009 1:31 PM PDT this has been going on and waiting for a response and it to be checked out for a month… can someone please look into this?

3/11/2009 1:45 PM PDT on top of this, if you compare buddy lists, you will see i have carried over the same friends…

staff response here

3/24/2009 11:48 PM PDT i told her to ask you to disable them b/c i was suffering from my depression… and was going to walk away… i left it at that when you said you couldnt and for me to… i did not want my childrens accounts disabled and did not know that those were included… i know what i read when i signed up 2 years ago and nothing was in it about sharing accounts… whitelunalycan was an account i bought back then and i told you, i even had you guys go in and change the age for me since i took it over… “avi name hidden” and her husband do, heck, even “staff name hidden” gave me his password to an alt account to set up a public room for him and shop using his credits… (account name hidden)… maria asked me to help her, so yes i chatted on the savanahraven account a bit… not knowing that the rules to that had changed… she signed up w/ me sitting here showing her and then i took over a bit w/ her here showing her around… in the end i left it alone entirely… i did not know until you disabled me w/o informing me that it was wrong… my fault for going by old rules and i do not question her account being taken… its not only an inconvienience… those accounts had over $2500 invested in them and i have reciepts to show it… after i was told the accounts had to be disabled by me, i decided i would save all my outfits and take a breather from imvu… after the online fling w/ “staff name hidden” kinda ended sourly, i needed that… i put info on my page on how people could reach me… altho it said i was leaving, as you can see, i did not… i never gave my accounts to anyone, nor did my children and my boyfriend… they were still ours… not even shared… if i had written to you i would have wrote you from my own email… not a house email address that is connected w/ everyone in my house… it came w/ our internet sevice… comcast is our provider… so everyone here is allowed to use that address… i am still here so i did not leave imvu as you can see… please i am begging to return my family’s accounts… heat, captainunderpants, and priapism… also my male and female alts… badiataiah and nashobaknight…

staff respondence here

4/5/2009 3:27 PM PDT i felt that way… about you trying to disbable me due to past chats w/ staff name hidden… she told me that you were going to disable me for something as simple as hiding top links b/c you were annoyed w/ me then… but she asked you to give me a chance… i fixed that… again i would like to ask… since i still have heard no answer… what did the accounts badiataiah, heat, priapism, captainunderpants, and nashobaknight do to break TOS and how can we be responsible for an email by soemone else just b/c they live in the house? we are responsible for our accounts, yes, i understand that, but an email that everyone uses? again… i am NOT questioning the savanahraven account… but we never shared the other accounts… so why are they disabled?… my kids did nothing wrong… i do not understand this judgement…

you said this:
“There is no reason why I would want your account disabled. I only disable users accounts that have violated the ToS. This is my job and I enforce our policy. I do not know you to not like you, I do not conduct business in that fashion.”

i understand this… but i did no such thing on my accounts that you took… i helped maria set up… for her to use, in hopes of gettign her on imvu w/ me… like i have my best friend of 17 years… account name flipgq now… she let me do as i wanted when she wasnt on… people who knew us, knew the difference… even avi name hidden would chat w/ us both at the same time… her on her account and me on mine… it was mainly hers me for hiding every once in a while and to dev… those that knew me, i chatted w/ there when i was deving on that account… sometimes when i was hiding from avi name hidden… he was stalking me… i thought i wanted to leave… but i did not get rid of my 2 accounts… and never would do such to my kids and boyfriend’s accounts…

this is soemthing else you say:
“The information shared by you to me was through your personal email registered to your account, this is what I have to go by.”

um… no… that email was used by maria for savanahraven… the email for MY account was carpathian.chic@yahoo.com… how is this the same as the savanahraven account since… big thing here… imvu does not allow more than one account registered per email… it was not to my badiahtaiah account… nor to my nashobaknight account… nor to my sons heat and captainunderpants… nor to my boyfriend priapism…

and im not questioning the whitelunalycan b/c i had bought it… and was only using it to submit stickers for my sons that they made… so… i do not care…

4/5/2009 3:28 PM PDT you keep saying the savanahraven account and i keep telling you that i do not care about that… i know there was mistakes made there and i should have just let her at her thing… but what does that have to do w/ the other 6?

the big deal to me was not only the money used in the accounts over the past 2 years, but the fact that my friend had died… her name was debbie avi name avi name hidden… she made a few things specially for me and since she lost her battle w/ cancer, those cannot be replaced… they are hidden from the catalog…

i do understand that i would be responsible for my account had i allowed someone to use it… but i do not understand how i am by some email… and noone being on our accounts…

you stated:
“I apologize for any inconvience this may have caused but due to the extensive emails between us regarding this issue the decision is final and the accounts will remain disabled.”

so you are saying b/c i wrote you the help tickets and tried to get my accounts back that i am to remain disabled? but had i not wrote you to find out why i was disabled, you would have given them back? and all i am trying to do is get a full answer but the point of it all is overlooked… this was why i keep asking to speak to someone… it is easier to explain by talking or a private chat than it is to write by help tickets…

you keep telling me about the savanahraven account… that account is not even in question… that account is gone and not coming back… my neice already has a new one… that was never my concern… i am asking about my household members accounts… a total of five… you are only telling me about one… one i do not care about… and how are my family members responsible?

4/7/2009 9:15 PM PDT you also said this…

“It is your responsibility to make sure others do not use your email address. ”

i would like to know how you can tell me what to do w/ my email account when it has nothing to do w/ imvu… it is not my imvu account, it is another company entirely… i know imvu and comcast are not affiliated… so what does this have to do w/ anything?

so yeah… thats my discussion w/ them… what do you think? i also reported them to the better business bureau… so me speaking out like this and reporting them may have me disabled… if i am, you all know why… i am sure they will want me silenced… they will also be reported to the ftc by the end of this week if there is no response…

oh yeah… you will also note that it is staff name hidden who is always responding and refuse to allow anyone else to check into the issue… and she doesnt like me… so not giving me a fair chance at all…

April 08, 2009 11:38AM

okay… today i placed this in the forums so people can see what kind of company imvu is… guess what… im banned from the forums indeffinately b/c they do not want the word leaked out… and the reason given was “spamming”… they know that they are in the wrong…

final note… dont let this happen to you… spread the word…

i have had to update… so hope you got to read it all before i did…

read the TOS… they can disable you for ANY reason… says so in the TOS… and their reason is not liking me b/c of a relationships/friendships w/ staff that ended… i have done nothing wrong on this account but i think i was disabled on the 14th… i have not logged off since for fear of not being able to sign back in… scary huh? sad thing is i wont know till i sign out… they dont give warnings or even a letter stating why you are disabled when it happens…

What the last posting has in common with the subject “stolen eye texture”??? Well actually it has …
If you check IMVU catalog under names of captainunderpants or BadiaTaiah you will find dozens of stickers made from images stolen from the internet.
So Stephanie Sinns stop crying here in endless spam agains IMVU and rather use this time to learn how to create your own images instead of selling stolen graphics on IMVU.

Seriously… If you or anyone else post templates for me to use… umm duh! my butt gonna use them! yay

they stole your eyes….oh well…get over it…learn from your mistakes and keep it moving.

Abused Barbie is actually one of the more well known thiefs on IMVU. She has stolen from Lollirot too, and plenty of other developers

Hey, i was wondering, if i could use these eyes as inspiration, like around the edges i like so i will try remake them myself, and change the pupil to something different or maybe the same i dont know.

But i will give credits that i made but i was inspired by your eye texture.

If you think that is ok just leave a private message on my imvu page, my avi name is ColdSpeed

I’m a creator on IMVU and just wanted to let you know I googled “How to submit eye textures” because my previewer seems to have a bug and your post came up. As an ex creator for SL I just wanted to let you know that I checked some of those links and the eyes are still up from LizzieBorden. Idk if you knew that or not.

Good luck getting this stuff taken care of.