Comments on: RC 1.20 - Glow XXL euhm… feature http://www.vintfalken.com/rc-120-glow-xxl-euhm-feature/ Exporting an SL photographer's Second Life Wed, 23 May 2012 12:48:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Vint Falken http://www.vintfalken.com/rc-120-glow-xxl-euhm-feature/#comment-40589 Vint Falken Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:21:21 +0000 http://www.vintfalken.com/rc-120-glow-xxl-euhm-feature/#comment-40589 I did play around with it, - as I did when it was still functioning correctly - but would not complain if I broke it myself! :d And they seem to have disabled logging out when you idle to long too. So - if it were not for crashing - you could stand there for ages! ;) Some people also reported crashing when just alt-camming around. (Probably related to your 'anti-abrupt-camera-change-camera' feature/bug.) I did play around with it, - as I did when it was still functioning correctly - but would not complain if I broke it myself! :d

And they seem to have disabled logging out when you idle to long too. So - if it were not for crashing - you could stand there for ages! ;)

Some people also reported crashing when just alt-camming around. (Probably related to your ‘anti-abrupt-camera-change-camera’ feature/bug.)

]]> By: Daedalus Young http://www.vintfalken.com/rc-120-glow-xxl-euhm-feature/#comment-40456 Daedalus Young Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:34:24 +0000 http://www.vintfalken.com/rc-120-glow-xxl-euhm-feature/#comment-40456 Ok, Vint, I read it (and it was late last night) as though you were playing with RenderGlowIterations up to a point it took over your screen, I didn't yet see problems with Glow myself. When I rez and move around prims, the camera for me starts 'shaking'. It's like it thinks "Oh, maybe I should follow this prim!", then thinks again "Oh no, it's cool" and repeats that thought process. The viewer froze a few times, as with every camera move (ever so slightly) stuff comes on screen that was not rendered before, making moving even just one prim hell. As for the bug overcrowdedness: the viewer (on Mac anyway) seems to crash if there are avatar impostors on screen. So while I was standing still, doing nothing at all at an event the other day, I crashed out of the blue. I mentioned that when back inworld and the response I got: "It's true, you need to move around to avoid the bugs." Ok, Vint, I read it (and it was late last night) as though you were playing with RenderGlowIterations up to a point it took over your screen, I didn’t yet see problems with Glow myself.

When I rez and move around prims, the camera for me starts ’shaking’. It’s like it thinks “Oh, maybe I should follow this prim!”, then thinks again “Oh no, it’s cool” and repeats that thought process. The viewer froze a few times, as with every camera move (ever so slightly) stuff comes on screen that was not rendered before, making moving even just one prim hell.

As for the bug overcrowdedness: the viewer (on Mac anyway) seems to crash if there are avatar impostors on screen. So while I was standing still, doing nothing at all at an event the other day, I crashed out of the blue. I mentioned that when back inworld and the response I got: “It’s true, you need to move around to avoid the bugs.”

]]> By: 6600 GTS - My future looks bright. | VintFalken.com http://www.vintfalken.com/rc-120-glow-xxl-euhm-feature/#comment-40396 6600 GTS - My future looks bright. | VintFalken.com Sun, 13 Apr 2008 10:54:14 +0000 http://www.vintfalken.com/rc-120-glow-xxl-euhm-feature/#comment-40396 [...] I had it lingering around for months now, a shiny, powerful and beautiful looking XFX 6600 GTS. I did not plug it in yet, because, the old one, a Sapphire Radeon X600Pro did not perform all that bad and frankly, I was being conservative. I know that by plugging in a new graphics card, the world around me would change drastically. Just as with real life, virtual life is how you perceive the world around you, and as ‘touch’ and ’smell’ functionality is still disabled, ‘view’ is one of the most important. But the outlook for the next official client - the RC 1.20 - left me no choice. [...] […] I had it lingering around for months now, a shiny, powerful and beautiful looking XFX 6600 GTS. I did not plug it in yet, because, the old one, a Sapphire Radeon X600Pro did not perform all that bad and frankly, I was being conservative. I know that by plugging in a new graphics card, the world around me would change drastically. Just as with real life, virtual life is how you perceive the world around you, and as ‘touch’ and ’smell’ functionality is still disabled, ‘view’ is one of the most important. But the outlook for the next official client - the RC 1.20 - left me no choice. […]

]]> By: Vint Falken http://www.vintfalken.com/rc-120-glow-xxl-euhm-feature/#comment-40384 Vint Falken Sun, 13 Apr 2008 09:09:57 +0000 http://www.vintfalken.com/rc-120-glow-xxl-euhm-feature/#comment-40384 Daedalus, no offence, but I think you might have missed the point here: #3: I did not activate the 'bugginess'. RenderGlow = True is the default setting. As you can see on the picture above, that default setting, made my Second Life unbearable. So, I started fiddling with the settings to get rid of the bug (referred to as feature in the blogpost). Besides having a good idea of what those RenderGlow settings do, I found that I could lessen the glow a bit, but it still looked horrible. The only way to get somewhat of a normal view, was turning the rendition of glow off completely, hence RenderGlow = False. Shortly summarized: <b>It worked more or less correct for ages for me, with the new RC release the default version did not work for me, so I turned it off. The fact that I know how to turn it off, does not make it my fault that it does not work.</b> I must agree with you that is far from the latests stable version. But, as suddenly a lot of 'mishaps' appear that there were not before, and it does weird stuff concerning graphics on 3 out of 3 totally different systems I use, I do get worried. Especially if on all three it's that bad that I can't 'see' the world, my HUDS or both anymore. If Lindens take out all these bugs before pushing it as the official viewer, that would mean they have drastically changed their way of working. I am aware of your 'I move something and crash' bug. I did not have any problems with it (I hardly move things around), but a few I know do. I do question the usefulness of the anti-abrupt-camera-change-camera, as when shooting at a crowded (and thus slow) sim yesterday, it took me ages to figure out where my camera would end up. PS. For this RC 'bug hunting' seems to be wrong terminology. It's more like 'make sure you don't trip over one every 15 seconds.' Daedalus, no offence, but I think you might have missed the point here:

#3: I did not activate the ‘bugginess’. RenderGlow = True is the default setting. As you can see on the picture above, that default setting, made my Second Life unbearable. So, I started fiddling with the settings to get rid of the bug (referred to as feature in the blogpost). Besides having a good idea of what those RenderGlow settings do, I found that I could lessen the glow a bit, but it still looked horrible. The only way to get somewhat of a normal view, was turning the rendition of glow off completely, hence RenderGlow = False. Shortly summarized: It worked more or less correct for ages for me, with the new RC release the default version did not work for me, so I turned it off. The fact that I know how to turn it off, does not make it my fault that it does not work.

I must agree with you that is far from the latests stable version. But, as suddenly a lot of ‘mishaps’ appear that there were not before, and it does weird stuff concerning graphics on 3 out of 3 totally different systems I use, I do get worried. Especially if on all three it’s that bad that I can’t ’see’ the world, my HUDS or both anymore. If Lindens take out all these bugs before pushing it as the official viewer, that would mean they have drastically changed their way of working.

I am aware of your ‘I move something and crash’ bug. I did not have any problems with it (I hardly move things around), but a few I know do. I do question the usefulness of the anti-abrupt-camera-change-camera, as when shooting at a crowded (and thus slow) sim yesterday, it took me ages to figure out where my camera would end up.

PS. For this RC ‘bug hunting’ seems to be wrong terminology. It’s more like ‘make sure you don’t trip over one every 15 seconds.’

]]> By: Daedalus Young http://www.vintfalken.com/rc-120-glow-xxl-euhm-feature/#comment-40369 Daedalus Young Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:11:25 +0000 http://www.vintfalken.com/rc-120-glow-xxl-euhm-feature/#comment-40369 Well it -is- a Release Candidate. So it is likely to have lots of bugs. It surely is not the latest stable version. If you just want to use SL, use the latest official viewer. If you want to hunt for bugs and make sure the next official viewer will be better, use the RC and file issues on JIRA. About #3: Glow has been in the Debug menu for a very very very long time, it's only more advanced now. And overall, it's not fair meddling with Debug settings and then shouting it's a huge bug. The average user will likely never activate the Advanced menu anyway, let alone play with settings they don't know what they're for. If you want to list a real annoying bug however (and btw expected, it's a bug in a new feature), try playing with the anti-abrupt-camera-change-camera. Especially, rez a cube (plywood will do) and try moving it around. Yay! Well it -is- a Release Candidate. So it is likely to have lots of bugs. It surely is not the latest stable version. If you just want to use SL, use the latest official viewer. If you want to hunt for bugs and make sure the next official viewer will be better, use the RC and file issues on JIRA.
About #3: Glow has been in the Debug menu for a very very very long time, it’s only more advanced now. And overall, it’s not fair meddling with Debug settings and then shouting it’s a huge bug. The average user will likely never activate the Advanced menu anyway, let alone play with settings they don’t know what they’re for.
If you want to list a real annoying bug however (and btw expected, it’s a bug in a new feature), try playing with the anti-abrupt-camera-change-camera. Especially, rez a cube (plywood will do) and try moving it around. Yay!

]]> By: Peter Stindberg http://www.vintfalken.com/rc-120-glow-xxl-euhm-feature/#comment-40285 Peter Stindberg Sat, 12 Apr 2008 12:24:54 +0000 http://www.vintfalken.com/rc-120-glow-xxl-euhm-feature/#comment-40285 Nicholaz BE-v continues to work like a charm. Hopefully still for a very long time, now that Nicholaz has unfortunately given up out of frustration.... Nicholaz BE-v continues to work like a charm. Hopefully still for a very long time, now that Nicholaz has unfortunately given up out of frustration….

]]> By: Camron Kuhn http://www.vintfalken.com/rc-120-glow-xxl-euhm-feature/#comment-40210 Camron Kuhn Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:51:30 +0000 http://www.vintfalken.com/rc-120-glow-xxl-euhm-feature/#comment-40210 I think teh most amusing thing about all of this, is I am using it, have not had a single issue, am running more stable than ever. Not a single problem yet. I think teh most amusing thing about all of this, is I am using it, have not had a single issue, am running more stable than ever. Not a single problem yet.

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