Comments on: SecondLifeGrid.net - Privatization of the Grid http://www.vintfalken.com/secondlifegridnet-privatization-of-the-grid/ Exporting an SL photographer's Second Life Sun, 12 Oct 2008 04:34:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Smiley Barry http://www.vintfalken.com/secondlifegridnet-privatization-of-the-grid/#comment-7605 Smiley Barry Sun, 09 Sep 2007 20:25:54 +0000 http://www.vintfalken.com/secondlifegridnet-privatization-of-the-grid/#comment-7605 Hehe... True, true. Though SLX, OnRez Shop, and TSLE purchases online are recorded, so that's covered up. Our TSL Emporium also covers unregistered avies :p. Hehe… True, true. Though SLX, OnRez Shop, and TSLE purchases online are recorded, so that’s covered up. Our TSL Emporium also covers unregistered avies :p.

]]> By: dandellion Kimban http://www.vintfalken.com/secondlifegridnet-privatization-of-the-grid/#comment-7604 dandellion Kimban Sun, 09 Sep 2007 20:19:44 +0000 http://www.vintfalken.com/secondlifegridnet-privatization-of-the-grid/#comment-7604 I think transactions are stored... but, just imagine Lindens who gives data for every lost item. :))) And, who knows that database isn't screwed just like inventories are. It is just that an item shouldn't be deleted from the inv until it is rezzed properly. But they won't fix that until people organize and sue them for material loss. I think transactions are stored… but, just imagine Lindens who gives data for every lost item. :))) And, who knows that database isn’t screwed just like inventories are. It is just that an item shouldn’t be deleted from the inv until it is rezzed properly. But they won’t fix that until people organize and sue them for material loss.

]]> By: Smiley Barry http://www.vintfalken.com/secondlifegridnet-privatization-of-the-grid/#comment-7602 Smiley Barry Sun, 09 Sep 2007 19:54:27 +0000 http://www.vintfalken.com/secondlifegridnet-privatization-of-the-grid/#comment-7602 Hmm, some kind of service needs to "store" Transactions so that if someone loses their, "Kobra V5", or, something, the seller/creator can look in the history, and see he/she purchased it, then give another copy, or refund, although 99% of our grid gives no refund and has a strict refund policy, as the newb teens tend to "buy, use, return, laugh". Hmm, some kind of service needs to “store” Transactions so that if someone loses their, “Kobra V5″, or, something, the seller/creator can look in the history, and see he/she purchased it, then give another copy, or refund, although 99% of our grid gives no refund and has a strict refund policy, as the newb teens tend to “buy, use, return, laugh”.

]]> By: dandellion Kimban http://www.vintfalken.com/secondlifegridnet-privatization-of-the-grid/#comment-7601 dandellion Kimban Sun, 09 Sep 2007 19:24:06 +0000 http://www.vintfalken.com/secondlifegridnet-privatization-of-the-grid/#comment-7601 Money coming into account is a RL money. As long as one can buy and sell lindens it is real life money. Yes, they are mostly small amounts but 250L$ dress is 1US$ dress. And yes, 1US$ may be small amount but it is still cash. Because the dress creator can make RL living out of making virtual clothes. And because, when that dress disappears from the inventory, Linden Lab is actually guilty for the material loss one had. And, because ona can abuse virtual world's economy to do the money loundering and all sorts of crimes. Money coming into account is a RL money. As long as one can buy and sell lindens it is real life money. Yes, they are mostly small amounts but 250L$ dress is 1US$ dress. And yes, 1US$ may be small amount but it is still cash. Because the dress creator can make RL living out of making virtual clothes. And because, when that dress disappears from the inventory, Linden Lab is actually guilty for the material loss one had. And, because ona can abuse virtual world’s economy to do the money loundering and all sorts of crimes.

]]> By: Smiley Barry http://www.vintfalken.com/secondlifegridnet-privatization-of-the-grid/#comment-7590 Smiley Barry Sun, 09 Sep 2007 17:05:33 +0000 http://www.vintfalken.com/secondlifegridnet-privatization-of-the-grid/#comment-7590 Ugh, seems my reply didn't go through the lousy PS3 browser :-/ *CLICK*: <blockquote> <i>"Dandellion, I meant, <b>money coming into the 'account'</b>, not real life income! Yuck!. Although it is a bad idea... Though we should put different options for different account types if we ever do it. Like PayPal's Merchant, Business, and Enterprise accounts :p."</i> </blockquote> Ugh, seems my reply didn’t go through the lousy PS3 browser :-/ *CLICK*:

“Dandellion, I meant, money coming into the ‘account’, not real life income! Yuck!. Although it is a bad idea… Though we should put different options for different account types if we ever do it. Like PayPal’s Merchant, Business, and Enterprise accounts :p.”

]]> By: Vint Falken http://www.vintfalken.com/secondlifegridnet-privatization-of-the-grid/#comment-7586 Vint Falken Sun, 09 Sep 2007 15:21:15 +0000 http://www.vintfalken.com/secondlifegridnet-privatization-of-the-grid/#comment-7586 I'm curious too. And Dandellion, somehow it feels like someday, I'll quote you on the 'keep record' thingie. :d I’m curious too. And Dandellion, somehow it feels like someday, I’ll quote you on the ‘keep record’ thingie. :d

]]> By: dandellion Kimban http://www.vintfalken.com/secondlifegridnet-privatization-of-the-grid/#comment-7384 dandellion Kimban Fri, 07 Sep 2007 01:31:59 +0000 http://www.vintfalken.com/secondlifegridnet-privatization-of-the-grid/#comment-7384 Dalien, we talked and agreed about that earlier, things cannot be hidden when money is in play. Totaly distributed system sounds great but is it really possible? At least, somebody has to control and record the flow of money. (I don't believe I am saying that somebody has to control and record anything) And whoever that is needs to pay the bills for the server electricity... But, I am waiting for both ideas, cyberpunk and archaic. Dalien, we talked and agreed about that earlier, things cannot be hidden when money is in play. Totaly distributed system sounds great but is it really possible? At least, somebody has to control and record the flow of money. (I don’t believe I am saying that somebody has to control and record anything) And whoever that is needs to pay the bills for the server electricity…
But, I am waiting for both ideas, cyberpunk and archaic.

]]> By: dandellion Kimban http://www.vintfalken.com/secondlifegridnet-privatization-of-the-grid/#comment-7378 dandellion Kimban Thu, 06 Sep 2007 23:41:27 +0000 http://www.vintfalken.com/secondlifegridnet-privatization-of-the-grid/#comment-7378 No, no. no.... no dividing people/customers/residents by income. That leads to serious social problems not to mention violating the privacy. But system where fees are proportional to the transactions is possible. No, no. no…. no dividing people/customers/residents by income. That leads to serious social problems not to mention violating the privacy. But system where fees are proportional to the transactions is possible.

]]> By: Dalien Talbot http://www.vintfalken.com/secondlifegridnet-privatization-of-the-grid/#comment-7376 Dalien Talbot Thu, 06 Sep 2007 23:29:09 +0000 http://www.vintfalken.com/secondlifegridnet-privatization-of-the-grid/#comment-7376 @Storm: excellent. Although, "βολή" is "throw" in greek, so being in those governments must be a pretty dangerous business - first they drink, then get drunk, then start throwing the cups with the hot tea... Or they drink too much tea and then they "throw" it in another sense.. Anyway, <a href="http://www.petcaretips.net/cheshire_cat.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> is a pretty useful resource on the matter, IMHO. @dandellion: well, the money problem could be solved by trivially using paypal. Although it is so tempting to try something fundamentally new...I think I do have a few cyberpunk ideas on the topic of money (and society, part of them I had already posted at one point on my blog) - i think the technology can enable us to utilise the "archaic" monetary systems without much inconvenience. Still need some more time to think before posting anything which is publicly consumable, but in the head it looks rather fun. Will take some time to crystallize, if ever. @Vint: make a fully decentralized system and you do not need any explicit "fees", imho. The costs are hidden and distributed. @Storm: excellent. Although, “βολή” is “throw” in greek, so being in those governments must be a pretty dangerous business - first they drink, then get drunk, then start throwing the cups with the hot tea… Or they drink too much tea and then they “throw” it in another sense.. Anyway, here is a pretty useful resource on the matter, IMHO.

@dandellion: well, the money problem could be solved by trivially using paypal. Although it is so tempting to try something fundamentally new…I think I do have a few cyberpunk ideas on the topic of money (and society, part of them I had already posted at one point on my blog) - i think the technology can enable us to utilise the “archaic” monetary systems without much inconvenience. Still need some more time to think before posting anything which is publicly consumable, but in the head it looks rather fun. Will take some time to crystallize, if ever.

@Vint: make a fully decentralized system and you do not need any explicit “fees”, imho. The costs are hidden and distributed.

]]> By: Smiley Barry http://www.vintfalken.com/secondlifegridnet-privatization-of-the-grid/#comment-7358 Smiley Barry Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:11:23 +0000 http://www.vintfalken.com/secondlifegridnet-privatization-of-the-grid/#comment-7358 Hmm, Merchandisers sounds nice, I guess people with X income and over, will pay fees and people with Y income and under, won't pay/pay low fees? Hmm, Merchandisers sounds nice, I guess people with X income and over, will pay fees and people with Y income and under, won’t pay/pay low fees?

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