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	<title>Comments on: SL5B Continued - Breaking up the families</title>
	<link>http://www.vintfalken.com/sl5b-continued-breaking-up-the-families/</link>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ilyagram &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8220;First they came&#8230;&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://www.vintfalken.com/sl5b-continued-breaking-up-the-families/#comment-75233</link>
		<dc:creator>ilyagram &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8220;First they came&#8230;&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 02:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vintfalken.com/sl5b-continued-breaking-up-the-families/#comment-75233</guid>
		<description>[...] 虛擬世界中的言論自由與個人隱私，相對於社會如何平衡？對於想要更了解這個議題跟前一篇文章的插圖，虛擬《真善美》（The Sound of Music）家庭演唱會，在 Secondlife 裡面的意義的朋友，請參考這篇文章：SL5B Continued Breaking Up the Families。 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] 虛擬世界中的言論自由與個人隱私，相對於社會如何平衡？對於想要更了解這個議題跟前一篇文章的插圖，虛擬《真善美》（The Sound of Music）家庭演唱會，在 Secondlife 裡面的意義的朋友，請參考這篇文章：SL5B Continued Breaking Up the Families。 [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: naima aya</title>
		<link>http://www.vintfalken.com/sl5b-continued-breaking-up-the-families/#comment-55168</link>
		<dc:creator>naima aya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vintfalken.com/sl5b-continued-breaking-up-the-families/#comment-55168</guid>
		<description>tracking this post http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2008/06/slb5-not-censor.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tracking this post <a href="http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2008/06/slb5-not-censor.html" rel="nofollow">http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2008/06/slb5-not-censor.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Vint Falken</title>
		<link>http://www.vintfalken.com/sl5b-continued-breaking-up-the-families/#comment-55151</link>
		<dc:creator>Vint Falken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vintfalken.com/sl5b-continued-breaking-up-the-families/#comment-55151</guid>
		<description>&lt;em&gt;or if LL is trying to show how much power they have to control SL when deeply they really can’t control it (in the full meaning of the word)&lt;/em&gt;

Now that, Naima, is an interesting questions. If indeed they are trying to control they can moderate what type of content is published in our Beloved Brave New Virtual World, this is a - rather pathetic - attempt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>or if LL is trying to show how much power they have to control SL when deeply they really can’t control it (in the full meaning of the word)</em></p>
<p>Now that, Naima, is an interesting questions. If indeed they are trying to control they can moderate what type of content is published in our Beloved Brave New Virtual World, this is a - rather pathetic - attempt?</p>
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		<title>By: naima aya</title>
		<link>http://www.vintfalken.com/sl5b-continued-breaking-up-the-families/#comment-55148</link>
		<dc:creator>naima aya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vintfalken.com/sl5b-continued-breaking-up-the-families/#comment-55148</guid>
		<description>Hi Vint, 

I'm following with attention this issue and some LL actions and in my special opinion I do understand that LL has their concerns created a rule (without think in other communities) but really they forget the "basic", and in this case basic thought is that SLB5 it's a hole celebration on the Grid. I'm thinking if the SLB6 will be only for LL employers lmao. 

I really agree with their worries about the child AV (first time a saw any news about http://news.cnet.com/5208-1043-0.html?forumID=1&#38;threadID=15433&#38;messageID=130097&#38;start=-184), and all problematic questions that pop up with this behavior and some positive actions take after that, of course I can't agree with child Av's and sex related mix with other conservative meanings, but the real truth about the grid is that some adult AV could be actually a kid behind the screen and this kid can live an entire 2nd life with no big limitations (its a challenger to control it).

But the real question on this date (SLB5) will be such a challenger to join all the community or if LL is trying to show how much power they have to control SL when deeply they really can't control it (in the full meaning of the word). Because mature content and child AV can not be together but they could celebrate such an important date since they are truly the residents like us, so what is the real meaning of the SLB5 this year? I think I missed something during last LL actions (I'm not against them, but I really don't understand completely what they are doing).

Oppression is not the answer . Makes any sense some celebrate and others that belong to the big family are banned from the family party?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Vint, </p>
<p>I&#8217;m following with attention this issue and some LL actions and in my special opinion I do understand that LL has their concerns created a rule (without think in other communities) but really they forget the &#8220;basic&#8221;, and in this case basic thought is that SLB5 it&#8217;s a hole celebration on the Grid. I&#8217;m thinking if the SLB6 will be only for LL employers lmao. </p>
<p>I really agree with their worries about the child AV (first time a saw any news about <a href="http://news.cnet.com/5208-1043-0.html?forumID=1&amp;threadID=15433&amp;messageID=130097&amp;start=-184" rel="nofollow">http://news.cnet.com/5208-1043-0.html?forumID=1&amp;threadID=15433&amp;messageID=130097&amp;start=-184</a>), and all problematic questions that pop up with this behavior and some positive actions take after that, of course I can&#8217;t agree with child Av&#8217;s and sex related mix with other conservative meanings, but the real truth about the grid is that some adult AV could be actually a kid behind the screen and this kid can live an entire 2nd life with no big limitations (its a challenger to control it).</p>
<p>But the real question on this date (SLB5) will be such a challenger to join all the community or if LL is trying to show how much power they have to control SL when deeply they really can&#8217;t control it (in the full meaning of the word). Because mature content and child AV can not be together but they could celebrate such an important date since they are truly the residents like us, so what is the real meaning of the SLB5 this year? I think I missed something during last LL actions (I&#8217;m not against them, but I really don&#8217;t understand completely what they are doing).</p>
<p>Oppression is not the answer . Makes any sense some celebrate and others that belong to the big family are banned from the family party?</p>
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		<title>By: nimil</title>
		<link>http://www.vintfalken.com/sl5b-continued-breaking-up-the-families/#comment-54999</link>
		<dc:creator>nimil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vintfalken.com/sl5b-continued-breaking-up-the-families/#comment-54999</guid>
		<description>i've commented on venk's stream and sue's stream but i'd like to copy those comments onto here because i think they raise interesting questions especially since cole states that LL is trying to protect itself

i fail to see how showing families engaging in normal family activities that people do in real life every day could be concidered something to ban from a celebration of our world...

in my opinion, instead of banning them, sl should allow them the ability to show that it's not some underground freak show but instead a normal and wonderful roleplay that can be theraputic for everyone involved. by trying to keep it hidden or underwraps, they give it the appearance that something dirty or bad is going on when nothing actually is. these exibits can even give the other citizens of second life the chance to understand the lives of people in these families and perhaps open their mind a little...

LL is not protecting themselves, they are making fools of themselves...

what i really think is odd is the fact that they think they need to protect themselves from the rl press seeing images of adult avatars in even close proximity to child avatars when any rl press agent can just as easily look at flickr and see those exact photos, or even if one went to an alternative sl5b location and saw photos like what venk is presenting.

and seriously what respeciable journalist is going to see a mom and dad sitting with their child or doing something family friendly as something offensive?? and if they do see that as offensive they should probably be seeking a mental health assessment.

what it really looks like is a way to enforce the original rule of no child avatar exibits by making the stipulations completely rediculous...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;ve commented on venk&#8217;s stream and sue&#8217;s stream but i&#8217;d like to copy those comments onto here because i think they raise interesting questions especially since cole states that LL is trying to protect itself</p>
<p>i fail to see how showing families engaging in normal family activities that people do in real life every day could be concidered something to ban from a celebration of our world&#8230;</p>
<p>in my opinion, instead of banning them, sl should allow them the ability to show that it&#8217;s not some underground freak show but instead a normal and wonderful roleplay that can be theraputic for everyone involved. by trying to keep it hidden or underwraps, they give it the appearance that something dirty or bad is going on when nothing actually is. these exibits can even give the other citizens of second life the chance to understand the lives of people in these families and perhaps open their mind a little&#8230;</p>
<p>LL is not protecting themselves, they are making fools of themselves&#8230;</p>
<p>what i really think is odd is the fact that they think they need to protect themselves from the rl press seeing images of adult avatars in even close proximity to child avatars when any rl press agent can just as easily look at flickr and see those exact photos, or even if one went to an alternative sl5b location and saw photos like what venk is presenting.</p>
<p>and seriously what respeciable journalist is going to see a mom and dad sitting with their child or doing something family friendly as something offensive?? and if they do see that as offensive they should probably be seeking a mental health assessment.</p>
<p>what it really looks like is a way to enforce the original rule of no child avatar exibits by making the stipulations completely rediculous&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Live performance Virtual Family Von Trapp @ SL5B cancelled &#124; VintFalken.com</title>
		<link>http://www.vintfalken.com/sl5b-continued-breaking-up-the-families/#comment-54986</link>
		<dc:creator>Live performance Virtual Family Von Trapp @ SL5B cancelled &#124; VintFalken.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vintfalken.com/sl5b-continued-breaking-up-the-families/#comment-54986</guid>
		<description>[...] &#171; SL5B Continued - Breaking up the families [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] &laquo; SL5B Continued - Breaking up the families [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Vint Falken</title>
		<link>http://www.vintfalken.com/sl5b-continued-breaking-up-the-families/#comment-54982</link>
		<dc:creator>Vint Falken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vintfalken.com/sl5b-continued-breaking-up-the-families/#comment-54982</guid>
		<description>ColeMarie, isn't _that_ why they hire a PR agency? Maybe, they can think pro-active, and even build something themselves that tells a bit more about all avie kinds in SL, thus also the child avies? That way they can even refer to games such as Zelda where it is totally normal that an adult plays with an underage avatar?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ColeMarie, isn&#8217;t _that_ why they hire a PR agency? Maybe, they can think pro-active, and even build something themselves that tells a bit more about all avie kinds in SL, thus also the child avies? That way they can even refer to games such as Zelda where it is totally normal that an adult plays with an underage avatar?</p>
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		<title>By: Raul Crimson</title>
		<link>http://www.vintfalken.com/sl5b-continued-breaking-up-the-families/#comment-54978</link>
		<dc:creator>Raul Crimson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vintfalken.com/sl5b-continued-breaking-up-the-families/#comment-54978</guid>
		<description>Well said, Vint, can't be louder but not clearer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Vint, can&#8217;t be louder but not clearer!</p>
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		<title>By: ColeMarie Soleil</title>
		<link>http://www.vintfalken.com/sl5b-continued-breaking-up-the-families/#comment-54974</link>
		<dc:creator>ColeMarie Soleil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vintfalken.com/sl5b-continued-breaking-up-the-families/#comment-54974</guid>
		<description>May I point out all it takes is a magazine taking pictures of stephens exhibit and writing up a twisted article that takes it out of context and then you have a mess linden labs isn't willing to take on.
I don't blame them.
Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I point out all it takes is a magazine taking pictures of stephens exhibit and writing up a twisted article that takes it out of context and then you have a mess linden labs isn&#8217;t willing to take on.<br />
I don&#8217;t blame them.<br />
Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: stephen venkman</title>
		<link>http://www.vintfalken.com/sl5b-continued-breaking-up-the-families/#comment-54973</link>
		<dc:creator>stephen venkman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vintfalken.com/sl5b-continued-breaking-up-the-families/#comment-54973</guid>
		<description>You Rock in so many ways Vint! Thank you for your posts. Thank you for all the hard work you do for everyone in our virtual community. Thank you from all those who come behind us and create their virtual families...whatever they may be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You Rock in so many ways Vint! Thank you for your posts. Thank you for all the hard work you do for everyone in our virtual community. Thank you from all those who come behind us and create their virtual families&#8230;whatever they may be.</p>
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