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Stop complaining, tell them what YOU want

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It might sound strange that I suggest you to take a survey that has running a paid ad on Hamlet Au’s New World Notes. Yet I am doing so, and no, I’m not getting paid for it. Unfortunately. ;)

But most Second Life Residents are constantly complaining about those First Life companies & their Second Life developing partners: that they don’t get what Second Life is all about, that they just treat us the same stupid way they treat our humans, that we don’t need their First Life goods translated to virtual goods, etc.

Well, let us give them some subtle hints by actually telling them - and their developing companies what we would like to see? The Metaversatility survey is a short one, but has some clearly stated questions on how First Life companies should behave in Second Life. Don’t forget to add ‘Do not - under any circomstances - sponser 16m² ad farms!’ in the comments. ;)

Should you be curious what I voted on suggested marketing strategies for real world businesses entering Second Life :

  1. Advertising products in-world with kiosks and billboards (Strongly oppose)
  2. Selling real-world products in Second Life (Neutral)
  3. Supporting user-generated content and communities (Strongly support)
  4. Sponsoring training sessions on topics related to Second Life (Support)
  5. Underwriting charitable events such as ACS relay for life (Support)
  6. Sponsering in-world entertainment (Support)
  7. Donating technology to open source projects (e.g. OpenSim, libSL) (Strongly support)
  8. Implementing promotional games and contests (Neutral)
  9. Organizing and participating in virtual trade shows (Oppose)
  10. Involving users in product/marketing design (Strongly support)
  11. Distributing branded merchandise (Neutral)

The most though question for me was ‘What would you like to see fixed improved about Second Life. Pick only three.‘ In the end I went with ‘grid stability’, ‘integration with web content’ and ‘newcomer orientation’. Now I’m thinking I should have dropped the orientation one and added ’support / linden reachability’ under ‘other’. Ow, and I voted positive for Zoe Connolly under ‘community leaders’. The SL Bloggers are a community after all, no? ;)

If you have picked ‘other’ somewhere, I’m curious what you have filled in. I had to use it to get Dutch/Flemish on the languages list. =)

PS. Should it help to motivate you, your avatar can win stuff! ;)


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16 Responses to “Stop complaining, tell them what YOU want”

AmandaShinji wrote a comment on October 11, 2007
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Survey taken… Actually, this is strange as we’ve had a few people mooching around Pontiac’s Motorati Island making similar enquires about corporates in SL etc. Once again, I took the chance to point out how damn right Pontiac have got the corporate involvement in SL… Ok, so the chance to win goodies is nice, but I’d rather have a more stable and nicer to use SL experience than a few fancy items… I can buy them anyway ;)

Thanks for the link to the survey Vint.

Vint Falken wrote a comment on October 11, 2007
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Np. Normally I dislike survey’s - especially if in the end they offer you to buy something although the survey clearly shows you do not need it. :d

But they don’t even ask for an email address and maybe it will lead to some more Moterati-like sims. Yeah, we all _know_ that’s a great example of how to get inside SL, I figured it was to obvious to mention it - again. ;)

*prefers and a stable grid and good-behaving real word businesses and fancy items* :D

Mario Parisé wrote a comment on October 13, 2007
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Great article! As a marketer I’ve been constantly pushing my clients to stop advertising and, what I like to call, interruption marketing, and just focus on contributing value to the community. In rl and in sl.

Prokofy Neva wrote a comment on October 14, 2007
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As Vint is using her bully pulpit to try to skew the outcome of this survey, let’s weigh in with the dissent, shall we?

I checked off STRONGLY SUPPORT for inworld kiosks and ads. But I’m also one of the strongest campaigners against 16 m2 microbaron extortionists and ad-farmers who totally blight our landscape. So I strong support for a reason.

My solution is to have responsible real-world corporations with TOS that they draw up to prevent extortion and inappropriate use of the 16 ms to come in and take over the microbaron empires. Currently they are such a blight because they are taken over by the first wave of idiot kids and amateurs, like the 23-year-old Finn who blights the land with the SL auctions and real estate ads (see, it comes from Europe, not America in many cases these days).

There is some hope that mature real companies with policies instead of rapacious greed as their motivator might do the job of making the ad space simply *look better* and become more regulated — like the metaversal service company The Electric Sheep Company (I’ve blogged about this here:
secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2007/10/boycott-the-ame.html

Look, Vint, somebody has to pay for your game. It can’t all come from socialist European governments and grabbing huge VAT taxes, at least not for awhile. And not everybody has a big fat development contract with an NDA like you do at Rezzable, right?

So…the rest of everybody else has to count on ad-supported billboards and kiosks. Example: concert stadiums for live music could accept tasteful ads and kiosks worked into the landscape. It need not be some ugly intrusion. Clubs could have posters with art that adapts to their themes. Roadside on commercial sims, there could be ordinary ads — there are *anyway* but the problem is that they intrude in to way too many spaces — like prime beachfront.

Please get over your allergy to commerce and your hatred of “any business but my business,” so typical of the creator fascists of Second Life, and realize that a variety of business models and advertising models will have to be encouraged in SL.

BTW, does Rezzable pay for this blog, too? Somehow, I don’t think this caper is a home-grown exercise out of your garage…

Another thing we need to pry your little socialist hands off is the “organizing and participating in virtual trade shows”. If corporations and businesses can’t use Second Life to hold such shows, there isn’t a revenue stream for the Lindens — or anyone who copies this model for another VW. And why the hell should it bother *you*? Avert your eyes, sweets, they are on islands you don’t *have* to look at.

Again, were you counting on big socialist governments or their oligarchic partners (who *does* fund Rezzable?!) to carry the day? Because um, we’re not over here.

As for “distributing branded merchandise” “Neutral” — my God, girl, you *do* reveal your hand as the typical “no business but my business” awful type of SL. It’s ok for YOU to distribute YOUR branded crap, even forcing an ad into my inventory for some dumb Halloween dress while I was offline so I couldn’t say “no” — that was cheap!

But something like Sony or Dell or whatever can’t have a brand, whose distribution might help sustain the world and help people have better familiarity with their products? Why?! Get your claws off the free economy, please.

Vint Falken wrote a comment on October 14, 2007
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Hun, did I ask you something?!

I told you this before - but as you do not read comments, you only rant - I’ll repeat it: Rezzable has NOTHING to do with this blog whatsoever, and nobody pays to get mentioned (or not mentioned) on vintfalken.com. The only form of ads here is the adsense on the upper right corner. Capisce? If they click that survey link, probably, Hamlet Au from New World Notes earns some bucks. I do not.

I only suggested they would speak out opposed to ad farms, besides that, I did nothing but list what I voted and ask them to tell the real world businesses what THEY want to see. Not what I want to see. That is where you and I differ: I assume my fellow Residents are intelligent enough to make up a mind of their own. You just assume that if they do not agree with you they are Europeans. :mrgreen:

Not enough fashion for you this week? *rolls eyes*

PS. forcing an ad into my inventory for some dumb Halloween dress while I was offline so I couldn’t say “no” — that was cheap! Hun. I gave you the Halloween dress. Rezz it, open it, and get your clothes. I know you didn’t ask for it, but I figured if people would do something nice for you, you might warm up to the world a bit and be less frustrated. The only male clothing item I can give away is a Rezzable Cannery shirt, and I was rather sure you would not appreciate that. =)

Prokofy Neva wrote a comment on October 14, 2007
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Vint, sweetie-pie, if YOU are paid by REZZABLE then YOU are subsidized in your blogging activities! Duh! Capisce? Ponyatnot? Tu sais ce que je dit?

OK, then. Can you confirm or deny that you are on the REZZABLE payroll? Ok, then.

No, by publishing your choices you are PROMOTING THEM DUH and that is an ENDORSEMENT. You then tell them to vote, and the memes remain in their mind.

No, I assume that if I tell them to vote, I don’t have to tell them how I voted to sway them, and that IS the assumption that they are intelligent enough to vote. Frankly, most Europeans demographically get it. You know, the problem of Old and New Europe, eh?

I think it’s an insult — if not an assult — to forcibly push female clothing to someone who has a male avatar, who has time and again explained that this transgendered choice is a CHOICE, and not something that “wears off” or that I “undo because it’s Halloween”. So fuck you.

I’m not frustrated. But you sure are because you’re getting a push-back from me : )

Prokofy Neva wrote a comment on October 14, 2007
Nadine Nozaki wrote a comment on October 14, 2007
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I wish I would have been as lucky as Neva, to get one of Vint’s nice items. As for being male looking her over it, even and transgeneder you might have fun to go on a transgeneder party looking as a girl.

I had so fun on parties with males in female clothes, thats always a party start. Lighten up and have fun. Stop seeing the works so black, it’s supposed to be fun for gods sake!

Veronique Kaminski wrote a comment on October 15, 2007
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“..reprimand me when I reply to it,..”

so…: Vint … DONT you dare… !!!

btw: better erase/blank the “fuck you” comment, or.. who knows, .. volunteers will queue and start knocking at your door.. :-p

Melissa Yeuxdoux wrote a comment on October 15, 2007
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So the only people who aren’t subsidized in their blogging activities are the unemployed and the retired? Good grief.

Vint Falken wrote a comment on October 15, 2007
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And Melissa, no, you get that wrong. Both are subsided by their respective governements, so that are Corporate Governement blogs.

The FL bosses will be so happy they can now say their company has a Second Life presence and a corporate blog. After all, I work my RL ass of to pay for the hosting of this blog. =d

Veronique, thanks. I know… but this was not just acting difficult, but a blatant lie, she knows well enough, about the nature of my blog posted on hers. So I’m _rather_ annoyed. As for the ‘fuck you’… well, it’s probably better she phrases it that way in stead of writing yet another 5 paragraphs. I think she’s starting to get considerate towards my Db. :mrgreen:

(I really should implement the usage of :mrgreen: into the blog, don’t you think? I need it far to often lately.)

And Nadine, I’ll give you the same I gave to Prok. IM me in-world if you want them trans or copy. =)

Prokofy Neva wrote a comment on October 15, 2007
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As I’m employed, and not retired, that wouldn’t be a category I’d be in, hon. But my employment, in RL and SL, is unrelated to my blog. A paid-for blog is when a company pays you to design and build sims, but you also blog as part of “generating the buzz”. They sustain you in your blogging. If you had diversified sources of income, it might be a different story. But…I don’t think that’s the story here!

Of course, I’m happy to be proven wrong, when you criticize something of Rezzable’s and stop blotting out any criticism of them : )

Nadine Nozaki wrote a comment on October 15, 2007
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So what you saying now, is that all that are employed in SL and blog about SL is subsided but there SL employer? Because we all generates the buzz about SL. We all by bloging make sure that there is a constant flow of people finding SL.

What do you have against Rezzable? They have collected a bunch of really talented people and make them work together towards a common goal. I think there are at least two things they made that Vint have not mentioned at all. I think she is quite neutral, she definitely writes less positive than me *giggle* And i can assure you not a single linden have come from that company to me. I know RightAsRain a little from flickr but thats all, the only time he talks to me is when he likes to get some publicity and gives me a LM, happened twice now.

Prokofy Neva wrote a comment on October 15, 2007
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>all that are employed in SL and blog about SL is subsided but there SL employer?

Yes.

>What do you have against Rezzable?

I have nothing a priori against this company, but it’s one of many metaversal building companies, and the consumers have the right to criticize it as they wish. I find some of it too much push media and static and contrived, as I’ve said in reviews, and other pieces I think are innovative and interactive.

I’d like to know a) what company is paying for all those sims, who they are and b) whether they are paying their builders on time or defaulting on their invoices, which is what we’ve been hearing on the Herald.

>Not a single linden have come from that company to me

Guess you must be doing something wrong then!

Nadine Nozaki wrote a comment on October 16, 2007
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Personally i don’t care how Rezzable make there bills, apparently they do else LL would have talked there sims away. But talk to some of the bosses of thye company if you like to know. They have a RL phone on there homepage, I don’t know if they are public company if they are that you should be able to get information from them.

> Guess you must be doing something wrong then!

Or I’m not interested in working for them, I’m hosting at one, club and managing an other, that way to much already. Finding time for photoshots, roleplaying, building and friends is a big problem with out working for them is already hard.

>> all that are employed in SL and blog about SL is
>> subsided but there SL employer?
> Yes.

Cool you think i can get a raise on my tip now? As i blog for carnage as well, and dark moon? I think i mentions carnage one in my blogs…. Dark Moon I’m sure it’s the first time i tell about in this reply. But while I’m at it we need dancers for dark moon IM me for more info, also Carnage needs staff, most urgent hosts…. I have to make good for my salary *giggle*

Vint Falken wrote a comment on October 16, 2007
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A paid-for blog is when a company pays you to design and build sims, but you also blog as part of “generating the buzz”. They sustain you in your blogging. If you had diversified sources of income, it might be a different story. But…I don’t think that’s the story here!

No, a paid-for blog is when a company pays you to design and build a blog and to keep sustaining it with blog posts. Not if you get in on a SL project, like it, and decide to blog about it. I’ve mentioned both Veyron Supercharge, Zoe Connolly, the Paradise Lost, Dalien Talbot, the Primskirtbuilder, … more often than Rezzable. As I said to you numerous times before, Rezzable does not sustain my blog, and it’s RL work that sustains the hosting of this blog, Smiley Barry’s wiki, and such. Neither did I start this blog with the idea Rezzable in mind because I never even heard of RaR at that point in time. =) As it comes to a diversified income from Second Life, at least two SL designers each have given me more L$ than Rezzable. I’ve sold stuff for more money than Rezzable pays me, and I’ve received more tips for dancing and snapshot/SL photography help than Rezzable ever payed me. So, as I’ve told you before, this is not a Rezzable corporate blog. Will you know correct the lie you put knowingly on your blog?

I’d like to know a) what company is paying for all those sims, who they are and b) whether they are paying their builders on time or defaulting on their invoices, which is what we’ve been hearing on the Herald.

Well, i suggest then that you IM the people leading Rezzable. Or mail them. Or give them a phone call. If they will ever choose to not pay me or at the the end of the exhibition refuse the artists their cut, I’m sure you will be able to read it on vintfalken.com. But I don’t see how telling lies about the nature of a person’s blog will get you any closer to getting an answer to those questions.

(Yeah, I know, Veronique, Vint is a bad girl by answering Prok. But I’ve put a lot of time in this blog, the tutorials, … and then seeing it say it is a Rezzable corporate blog, … well, I know her arguments are unfunded and she’s just ranting her own imaginabable truth, but still…)

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