Comments on: VAT: any other European resident got the email? http://www.vintfalken.com/vat-any-other-european-resident-got-this/ Exporting an SL photographer's Second Life Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:43:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Prokofy Neva http://www.vintfalken.com/vat-any-other-european-resident-got-this/#comment-9252 Prokofy Neva Sat, 06 Oct 2007 02:24:48 +0000 http://www.vintfalken.com/vat-any-other-european-resident-got-this/#comment-9252 <font color="white">Talk to your Eurocrats, they are the ones who invented this confiscatory tax policy, not Linden Lab. The real world works this way: you don't ask other people to pay your taxes for you. If you don't like your taxes, emigrate, or change your laws through parliament. Also, um, register your business, get a VAT number, write off expenses, get the VAT back.</font> Talk to your Eurocrats, they are the ones who invented this confiscatory tax policy, not Linden Lab.

The real world works this way: you don’t ask other people to pay your taxes for you. If you don’t like your taxes, emigrate, or change your laws through parliament.

Also, um, register your business, get a VAT number, write off expenses, get the VAT back.

]]> By: Nadine Nozaki http://www.vintfalken.com/vat-any-other-european-resident-got-this/#comment-9232 Nadine Nozaki Fri, 05 Oct 2007 22:26:22 +0000 http://www.vintfalken.com/vat-any-other-european-resident-got-this/#comment-9232 Yes, read that again, They tell us thet raised my price du 25% over the night, The stated price on 76$ for premium made the tax 15.20$ nothing more nothing less, they can't pay 19$ in tax for that transactions if they liked. I'm pretty shure they never did, now suddelt those 76$ are 95$ over the night and badly showing up on the payment screen. Or that still don't think I'm in the EU and i'm "lucky" tax evaider here. Why I'm I spending time trying to convince Miss Neva about how the real world or second life works... (Maybe because someone else might believe her...) Yes, read that again, They tell us thet raised my price du 25% over the night, The stated price on 76$ for premium made the tax 15.20$ nothing more nothing less, they can’t pay 19$ in tax for that transactions if they liked. I’m pretty shure they never did, now suddelt those 76$ are 95$ over the night and badly showing up on the payment screen. Or that still don’t think I’m in the EU and i’m “lucky” tax evaider here.

Why I’m I spending time trying to convince Miss Neva about how the real world or second life works… (Maybe because someone else might believe her…)

]]> By: Prokofy Neva http://www.vintfalken.com/vat-any-other-european-resident-got-this/#comment-9228 Prokofy Neva Fri, 05 Oct 2007 21:32:37 +0000 http://www.vintfalken.com/vat-any-other-european-resident-got-this/#comment-9228 <font color="white">And it is the EU's fault. Of course it is! And you elected them, you go talk to them, not to some company in California that sets its prices normally for all people, and doesn't give you some special discount. No, you don't get a special discount enabling you to get a break on a price just because you have a need to fund your socialism. Fund it from your taxes, not on the backs of other people in other countries, by screwing them over and having them pay more, while you pay less.</font> And it is the EU’s fault. Of course it is! And you elected them, you go talk to them, not to some company in California that sets its prices normally for all people, and doesn’t give you some special discount.

No, you don’t get a special discount enabling you to get a break on a price just because you have a need to fund your socialism. Fund it from your taxes, not on the backs of other people in other countries, by screwing them over and having them pay more, while you pay less.

]]> By: Prokofy Neva http://www.vintfalken.com/vat-any-other-european-resident-got-this/#comment-9227 Prokofy Neva Fri, 05 Oct 2007 21:31:06 +0000 http://www.vintfalken.com/vat-any-other-european-resident-got-this/#comment-9227 <font color="white">Again, no, that's not how to understand it. The prices you paid were not all-inclusive. They were the standard prices that we all pay, everywhere. The tax ON TOP of that was evidently paid for by the Lindens, to accommodate you. So you were not paying the tax ON TOP of the price. I don't see why this is so hard to grasp. Taxes come ON TOP OF prices. If they are INCLUDED then in the presentation of the bill, that doesn't mean "the price includes the tax". It doesn't. The price is the price, the tax, on top of it, is added (and in this case, absorbed by the Lindens). The final bill's total is price plus tax. It's your insistence on literalism about the EU's requirement about how a final total is presented, with the tax showing, that is preventing you from grasping this obvious common-sense truth. A price isn't changed for you, just because you have a tax. A tax is added. It's either paid for by someone else -- or you.</font> Again, no, that’s not how to understand it.

The prices you paid were not all-inclusive. They were the standard prices that we all pay, everywhere.

The tax ON TOP of that was evidently paid for by the Lindens, to accommodate you. So you were not paying the tax ON TOP of the price.

I don’t see why this is so hard to grasp. Taxes come ON TOP OF prices. If they are INCLUDED then in the presentation of the bill, that doesn’t mean “the price includes the tax”. It doesn’t. The price is the price, the tax, on top of it, is added (and in this case, absorbed by the Lindens). The final bill’s total is price plus tax.

It’s your insistence on literalism about the EU’s requirement about how a final total is presented, with the tax showing, that is preventing you from grasping this obvious common-sense truth. A price isn’t changed for you, just because you have a tax. A tax is added. It’s either paid for by someone else — or you.

]]> By: Vint Falken http://www.vintfalken.com/vat-any-other-european-resident-got-this/#comment-9207 Vint Falken Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:49:49 +0000 http://www.vintfalken.com/vat-any-other-european-resident-got-this/#comment-9207 As they have always absorbed our VAT, the prices we had to pay up to now were all-inclusive. The all inclusive price now is higher. So - regardless how you formulate it - it is a price raise for EU citizens all right. As they have always absorbed our VAT, the prices we had to pay up to now were all-inclusive.

The all inclusive price now is higher.

So - regardless how you formulate it - it is a price raise for EU citizens all right.

]]> By: Nadine Nozaki http://www.vintfalken.com/vat-any-other-european-resident-got-this/#comment-9189 Nadine Nozaki Fri, 05 Oct 2007 09:15:22 +0000 http://www.vintfalken.com/vat-any-other-european-resident-got-this/#comment-9189 Lindens now told strait out that raised prices 25% over the night without warning. (Trying to blame this on the EU.) Blog here: http://thewintermarket.blogspot.com/2007/10/sl-price-level-up-25-thats-what-happend.html and offical note on LL blog: http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/10/04/vat-are-you-talking-about/ Hugs from nad, I think this can end all discussion until one day they have a price including VAT, now they have an other including VAT, just that the new one is 25% higher and they try to say that's EU's fault. Lindens now told strait out that raised prices 25% over the night without warning. (Trying to blame this on the EU.) Blog here:
http://thewintermarket.blogspot.com/2007/10/sl-price-level-up-25-thats-what-happend.html
and offical note on LL blog:

http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/10/04/vat-are-you-talking-about/

Hugs from nad, I think this can end all discussion until one day they have a price including VAT, now they have an other including VAT, just that the new one is 25% higher and they try to say that’s EU’s fault.

]]> By: Prokofy Neva http://www.vintfalken.com/vat-any-other-european-resident-got-this/#comment-9161 Prokofy Neva Fri, 05 Oct 2007 02:18:01 +0000 http://www.vintfalken.com/vat-any-other-european-resident-got-this/#comment-9161 <font color="white">I'm happy to provide a big, fat I TOLD YOU SO with this link: http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/10/04/vat-are-you-talking-about/ Read it, and all those who claimed that LL was violating the law, or is doing something illegal now have to retract their malicious words -- they are wrong. In this post, Zee Linden: a. Confirms that the Lindens absorbed the VAT for you, and kept you in socialism longer than you even deserved. b. Confirms that you have to pay for it on top of the regular, standard price. c. Provides LL's VAT number. d. Notes that bills will not hit until Oct. 27, because of the issue of bills for past tier incurred before people were informed of the new VAT additions -- and yes, they are additions, and yes, that's legal -- the directive was originally directed to create a socialist level playing field, so the socialist imperative that drove it didn't foresee that it would hit people taking advantage of the non-socialist free enterprise zone of Second Life. Now the socialism has to be paid for.</font> I’m happy to provide a big, fat I TOLD YOU SO with this link:

http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/10/04/vat-are-you-talking-about/

Read it, and all those who claimed that LL was violating the law, or is doing something illegal now have to retract their malicious words — they are wrong.

In this post, Zee Linden:

a. Confirms that the Lindens absorbed the VAT for you, and kept you in socialism longer than you even deserved.
b. Confirms that you have to pay for it on top of the regular, standard price.
c. Provides LL’s VAT number.
d. Notes that bills will not hit until Oct. 27, because of the issue of bills for past tier incurred before people were informed of the new VAT additions — and yes, they are additions, and yes, that’s legal — the directive was originally directed to create a socialist level playing field, so the socialist imperative that drove it didn’t foresee that it would hit people taking advantage of the non-socialist free enterprise zone of Second Life. Now the socialism has to be paid for.

]]> By: Prokofy Neva http://www.vintfalken.com/vat-any-other-european-resident-got-this/#comment-9099 Prokofy Neva Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:03:58 +0000 http://www.vintfalken.com/vat-any-other-european-resident-got-this/#comment-9099 ]]> By: Prokofy Neva http://www.vintfalken.com/vat-any-other-european-resident-got-this/#comment-9098 Prokofy Neva Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:00:06 +0000 http://www.vintfalken.com/vat-any-other-european-resident-got-this/#comment-9098 <font color="white">No, it's not illegal *on the Internet viewable around the world* and *in other countries* dumbass. Do you have some crazy fucked-up notion that the EU "rules the world"? Do you *actually expect* the entire rest of the world is supposed to put their prices inclusive of VAT *just for you*? Are you DAFT??? So, if you think that Linden Lab has "violated a law" (laughs out loud) then, go along there dearie, be a good little lick-ass fanboy of the EU, and abuse-report them anonymously like you would on a little MMORPG forums, and see if you can get the "mods" to "suspend them". That would be great, eh? Bet that will fulfill your inner spiteful yen no end. I really do look forward to seeing how your Eurocrats will respond to your massive abuse-reports and, um, shut down an American company with this much media coverage, bringing them this much revenue. Let me know how that works out for you. Of course, there is a special VAT-inclusive subs site for the UK. It's called MY ACCOUNT. You access it here: https://secure-web8.secondlife.com/account/index.php Naturally, if this is not to your satisfaction, I suggest that Vint, you, and all the other little asswipes here draw on your vast reserves of spite and malice and see if you can shut down Linden Lab and Second Life for all of us. Perhaps we can cou<nt on the Chinese to make short work of you, then. They're good at Cultural Revolutions : )</font> No, it’s not illegal *on the Internet viewable around the world* and *in other countries* dumbass.

Do you have some crazy fucked-up notion that the EU “rules the world”? Do you *actually expect* the entire rest of the world is supposed to put their prices inclusive of VAT *just for you*? Are you DAFT???

So, if you think that Linden Lab has “violated a law” (laughs out loud) then, go along there dearie, be a good little lick-ass fanboy of the EU, and abuse-report them anonymously like you would on a little MMORPG forums, and see if you can get the “mods” to “suspend them”. That would be great, eh? Bet that will fulfill your inner spiteful yen no end. I really do look forward to seeing how your Eurocrats will respond to your massive abuse-reports and, um, shut down an American company with this much media coverage, bringing them this much revenue.

Let me know how that works out for you. Of course, there is a special VAT-inclusive subs site for the UK. It’s called MY ACCOUNT.

You access it here:

https://secure-web8.secondlife.com/account/index.php

Naturally, if this is not to your satisfaction, I suggest that Vint, you, and all the other little asswipes here draw on your vast reserves of spite and malice and see if you can shut down Linden Lab and Second Life for all of us.

Perhaps we can cou

]]> By: Prokofy Neva http://www.vintfalken.com/vat-any-other-european-resident-got-this/#comment-9097 Prokofy Neva Wed, 03 Oct 2007 16:57:18 +0000 http://www.vintfalken.com/vat-any-other-european-resident-got-this/#comment-9097 <font color="white">No, it's not illegal *on the Internet viewable around the world* and *in other countries* dumbass. Do you have some crazy fucked-up notion that the EU "rules the world"? Do you *actually expect* the entire rest of the world is supposed to put their prices inclusive of VAT *just for you*? Are you DAFT??? So, if you think that Linden Lab has "violated a law" (laughs out loud) then, go along there dearie, be a good little lick-ass fanboy of the EU, and abuse-report them anonymously like you would on a little MMORPG forums, and see if you can get the "mods" to "suspend them". That would be great, eh? Bet that will fulfill your inner spiteful yen no end. Let me know how that works out for you. There is a special VAT-inclusive subs site for the UK. It's called MY ACCOUNT. You access it here: Of course, if this is not to your satisfaction, I suggest that Vint, you, and all the other little asswipes here draw on your vast reserves of spite and malice and see if you can shut down Linden Lab and Second Life for all of us. Perhaps we can count on the Chinese to make short work of you, then. They're good at Cultural Revolutions : )</font> No, it’s not illegal *on the Internet viewable around the world* and *in other countries* dumbass.

Do you have some crazy fucked-up notion that the EU “rules the world”? Do you *actually expect* the entire rest of the world is supposed to put their prices inclusive of VAT *just for you*? Are you DAFT???

So, if you think that Linden Lab has “violated a law” (laughs out loud) then, go along there dearie, be a good little lick-ass fanboy of the EU, and abuse-report them anonymously like you would on a little MMORPG forums, and see if you can get the “mods” to “suspend them”. That would be great, eh? Bet that will fulfill your inner spiteful yen no end.

Let me know how that works out for you. There is a special VAT-inclusive subs site for the UK. It’s called MY ACCOUNT.

You access it here:

Of course, if this is not to your satisfaction, I suggest that Vint, you, and all the other little asswipes here draw on your vast reserves of spite and malice and see if you can shut down Linden Lab and Second Life for all of us.

Perhaps we can count on the Chinese to make short work of you, then. They’re good at Cultural Revolutions : )

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