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Virgins are Broadly Offensive

August 31, 2008 2:35 pm

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I don’t know where to start to formulate my surprise, disgust and utter ‘WTF!?’ feelings about this. We all know the broadly offensive rules are hugely broadly offensive themselves: no nipples on PG areas - be it male or female, no excessive sex or violence - not even on mature areas - and what was the latest Linden addition to the definition of broadly offensive: ‘no child avatar in a photograph together with an adult avatar.’ Yep, not even when they are dressed with three pair of pants, five winter coats and a hat. But ok, I’m sure you want to know what’s added to the broadly offensive list this time: depiction of astrological signs. Well, at least some astrological signs. Lion, cancer, sagitarius, … all seem to be fine, but when we come up to the Virgo, it gets tricky.

Loki Popinjay - not that kind of pervert! - showed his ‘Avatar Zodiac’ first at SL5B, where - despite strict rules - nobody seem to have had a problem with it. As it was amazing, the exhibition was prolonged at Rezzable Cannery. Now, after 1 totally crazy puritan sick f*ck reported - abuse reported - Loki Popinjay, Loki got threats from Linden Lab and decided to just burn the photograph himself. An excerpt from the e-mail Loki received from Linden Lab:

Violation: Community Standards: Broadly Offensive Content or Conduct

Real-life images, avatar portrayals, and other depiction of sexual violence including rape, real-life images, avatar portrayals, and other depictions of extreme or graphic violence, and other broadly offensive content are never allowed or tolerated within Second Life.

Nude photo of young girl holding a teddy bear needs to be removed immediately. Alternatively, you may cover up the nudity with photo alterations.

What this does not make sense at all:

  1. This photograph was up at SL5B, which had a very high ‘puritain’ rating this year. Nobody complained.
  2. All of the sudden, some idiot flags it, and immediately it is labelled as ‘violation’ and Loki gets threatened with ‘account suspension’, without asking him for explanation. They are milder on ‘content thiefs’!
  3. I wonder what exactly makes this avie a ‘young girl’. Hips & shape definitely looks adult to me. Maybe the cute curls or the teddy bear?
  4. I wonder where exactly Lindens finds the ‘nude’. Both nipples & genitals are covered, using hair, arms and the teddy bear.
  5. What do LL expect for the depiction of a ‘virgin’? I would assume that in the SLT zone, 30 year old virgins are as rare as in Europe?

Loki Popinjay contested this decision by Linden Lab, but got to hear from Harry Linden that this is indeed a violation of ToS and the work needs to be removed or redone. *sighs*

25 Responses to “Virgins are Broadly Offensive”

dandellion Kimban wrote a comment on August 31, 2008
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Only thing that is virginal on that image is the pose (Botticelli’s Venus). But it is not about virginity, nor it is about something being offensive. It is about LL that will always take the easy route to ban anything that is reported for content (crashing sims seems to pass more easily). And they will do that until they destroy everything on the grid.

loki wrote a comment on August 31, 2008
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Thanks for giving this some attention Vint !! I’m not going to repeat everything I already stated on my blog en Flickr stream but believe me I’m really disgusted by all this …

Tiessa Montgolfier wrote a comment on August 31, 2008
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I think I’ll take a few pictures and sprinkle them around:
1) Nude in a bunch of stuffed animals.
2) Nude in the Botticelli pose.

And see what happens.

I think the more rounded face of the avatar may make her look “too young”, especially accompanied by the teddy bear, for LL’s “taste.”

Luke Poplin wrote a comment on August 31, 2008
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You see that’s the thing about opinions…not everyone agrees with you. Just because YOU or YOUR crowd think it’s ok doesn’t make it so. That’s life.

Vint Falken wrote a comment on September 1, 2008
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Luke, please, enlighten us then, what exactly is _wrong_ with this photograph? The lady is abviously old enough. (You’re not going to find many -16’s with that shape of hips). The teddy bear.. well, I have a few, and I’m an adult avie.. nude? there is none. All ’sensitive bits are covered’. The pose? It’s a classic. Anything else?

Luke Poplin wrote a comment on September 1, 2008
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That’s my point. You see nothing at all wrong with it. Others may disagree with that completely. So, now we come to the discussion of the ages…how does one resolve this? I can only say that I have absolutely no idea. The only thing I can see Linden Labs doing is try to land somewhere in the middle, but I’m not even sure that will turn out well.

As an small aside, I don’t believe you have to be sick to maintain a level of morality. Is this not a choice in one’s life like everything else? Often those who push so hard for freedom of expression are the most intolerant of those who disagree with them.

Nadine Nozaki wrote a comment on September 1, 2008
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But if no one can tell why they see it as wrong how are we going to be able to discuss?

I can’t see the offence in this image, so where is the moral in banning it? Freedom of speak, is a choose of life, many time a hard one to maintain. It’s not the options you like to hear that need to be defended the one you don’t like to hear is the one needed to be defended.

Vint Falken wrote a comment on September 1, 2008
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I don’t think that Linden Lab acted ‘in the middle’ here. It’s been up at SL5B, and nobody complained. Has been up at the Cannery for a long while, and nobody complained. Then all of the sudden, one person AR’s Loki, and it’s directly deemed to be a ‘violation of ToS’ without even giving Loki a chance to respond/defend his work first. That’s highly biased.

And honestly, I think your mind does need to be kinda sick, to see this photograph and think of the ‘age play’ & ‘child pron’ part of the internet. For me, it was just a very fun rework of the botticelli painting, part of a larger whole about zodiac signs represented by avatars. If you see something wrong in this - remember, it was in a context of other like wise signs, featuring avatars, photographs can be seen on Loki’s blogpost, you either associate each (partially) nude with sex, or were think your opinion is the only one, and have a freaky self-born idea that your avie is ‘responsible for keeping the grid from moral decay’ by judging what is fit to be seen or no.

Just my two eurocents.

loki wrote a comment on September 1, 2008
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Luke, not everyone’s morality is the same and I recognise that. I will even accept that to some my picture would be offensive. What I do have a problem however with is the fact my work was condemned based on the opinion and morality of one single person. Why that bothers me you can read here: http://loki-popinjay.blogspot.com/2008/09/take-action-linden-labs.html

Tenchi Morigi wrote a comment on September 1, 2008
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Careful Nadine. Talking about Freedom of Speech usually means the ability to talk about whatever I want and how I want not caring about others to most.
While I advocate freedom of speech I advocate as well that there are codes of conduct and people have to obey them as well as they have to respect borders.

Especially those borders are the real problem since LL again and again failed to properly define them even when they directly asked to do so. This case is just a perfect example and what SL lacks is not freedom of speech but a code of conduct that is more clear then the vaguely formulated big six.

But lets face the facts. LL is a company that wants to earn money and if it is able to crack down on a single person that offends a number of others (even though I do not agree with the Lab here) they would rather have that one person go before a uncertain number of people leaves because they are offended of some potential “child pornography”. Even though the pic was up at SL5B it just means that the censor seemed to be far more liberal then a conservative visitor of rezzable.

To be honest I spent close to 10 Minutes looking at the picture before making my mind up that it is ok. The components of the picture (title, hair, bear, youthful skin) can make up for the certain picture this person had in mind when it looked at it. And the fact that the naughty bits are covered is in my eyes a difficult excuse either since nudity remains nudity regardless of what you see or not.

In my eyes it would be more sensible to create a certain momentum from this incedent and get people into a dialogue that would end up in the Lindens finally defining what can be done and what not rather then trying to embark on a crusade and get an excuse from them because they stepped on poor Lokis boots (using some sarcasm here to make it sound sharper). I think this would result in a far more productive way donĀ“t you think? I for myself would rather talk with someone who seeks a dialogue then a mob carrying knifes, forks and torches who are coming to lynch you.

Nadine Nozaki wrote a comment on September 1, 2008
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Freedom of Speech, mean having the right to say what you like, not every where and every place. I this case, was not spammed, it was not following people. I can’t see the offensive in the image, it a clean version with references to “The Birth of Venus” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Botticelli_Venus.jpg esciaslly the pose make me think of that image.

“And the fact that the naughty bits are covered is in my eyes a difficult excuse either since nudity remains nudity regardless of what you see or not.”

We are all nude under our clothes, how could cone cover that way with your, I’m pretty sure the Vigro, title would be hard to get different using the star signs. Yes we need clear rules, LL cant one month look at it and say, hey cool used this to promote our product and the next, sorry if you show that we’ll ban you,

Nadine Nozaki wrote a comment on September 1, 2008
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Maybe i should add the nude she.-males at a club I often go to especially at FUTA parties, even is i miss most of them they are broadly offensive, sexual, and definitely something that could offend people. This image isn’t, no way it is, it an image of purity and clean innocent to me.

Luke Poplin wrote a comment on September 1, 2008
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Vint, I wonder if I can believe something different from you without being called names. I have that much respect for you, so I would ask that in return.

Vint Falken wrote a comment on September 1, 2008
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Sure. But if you see this photograph and instantly think: ’sex! sex!’ there might be some truth in the ’sick’ labelling. And you might want to seek some medical help. =)

Vint Falken wrote a comment on September 6, 2008
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I wonder if this photograph by Jarl Soderstrom would be considered ‘broadly offensive’ because of the same reasons, when brought in-world. =)

Vint Falken wrote a comment on September 6, 2008
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And this:

Wonderland MMORPG - Two teens naked in bath

loki wrote a comment on September 6, 2008
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OMG !! /me covers his eyes at such degenerate images :-)))

JCM String wrote a comment on September 9, 2008
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You guys are missing the point LL’s Owns the grid and we have no say they can do and say what they like. You people should spend so much time and energy on and with your RL families then maybe the world would start to be a better place. Rather then sitting behind a computer worrying about this.

Raul Crimson wrote a comment on September 9, 2008
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About the main theme of this post you all know (at least Loki knows) what i think. About this last comment by JMC String (whoever he/she is) well, this is the old story of “Get a life…” i just can answer “Hey, i have two”.
Anyway i presume she/he doesn’t have much to worry about if he/she worries about what we worry about… oh, wait… that was confusing. ;-)

Not funny wrote a comment on September 9, 2008
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That image is sick

dandellion Kimban wrote a comment on September 9, 2008
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JCM, thanks for your concern but my life (sum of what you call “real life” and my online presence) is very fine.

LL indeed owns the grid, but saying that they can do whatever they want makes you just another stupid product of capitalistic brainwashing. FYI, company is not a private home and it is simply not true that company can do whatever they want. In any civilized country, there are some laws that protect freedom of expression.

JCM String wrote a comment on September 9, 2008
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dandellion said >”FYI, company is not a private home and it is simply not true that company can do whatever they want.”

Company is not a private home but LL’s is also last I checked not a publicly traded company so they CAN do what they want. And as you have seen. They did get want they wanted out of it. It has made no difference how much noise was made over this Loki still had to take the picture down! Not saying it was right or wrong.

dandellion Kimban wrote a comment on September 10, 2008
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Well, it was wrong, whether you choose not to say anything and live your life sitting behind the computer.

Balp Allen wrote a comment on September 10, 2008
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Not to be like that JCM but any company don’t caring about what it’s customers users think about how the product is used are doomed. Customers have a right to think and discuss, any companies policies, if the is using child labours in asia, or banning people as customers they think don’t fit. Of course the company can choose to ingone the customers, and in the end go out of market. But I’m sure most public companies have share holders that will not go all that way.

Care to comment?